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Worried about DD and DGC

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Sugarpufffairy Tue 19-Aug-14 21:04:11

I am looking for any advice or hints to cope with a situation that is on going in my family.
Daughter is married to a man who has irritated everyone he comes in contact with. He has caused my daughter's friends that she has had since Primary school to avoid her. These friends are all now in relation-ships and some have children of similar age to my DGD. This man does not work and complains about looking after the children. He does not complain about doing the housework because he does not clean up at all. The house is a mess and not even the baby's bottles get washed or even rinsed through. He spends money like water and even though my daughter works hard and earns decent money, they never pay the bills properly but there are loads of toys, more than any children could need.
He wanted to live near his family and the children are seen by his mother more than any of our family even though there is another child of the same age in our family. The mother of that child will not allow this man to be alone with her child.
This man has tried to get various elderly and/or ill members of our family to buy things like a car and even a house. I too have be subjected to his demands and his high pressure tactics. I have had over 20 calls in an afternoon with demands. There is a dispute with a solicitor over the solicitor making an offer on a house for an elderly now deceased person 2 months before death. The person holding Power of Attorney made themselves known to the solicitor but the solicitor failed to take appropriate action due to various circumstances.
My daughter and her family were homeless for months. This man thought not paying the rent going homeless would force the council to house them. She listens to him and seems to believe his every word but does not appreciate help from her family.
Recently my daughter worked some overtime. Pay day has been mid month and already there is no money left. The house is very dirty and they have only had it for a week. They had a temporary house for a few weeks and that was left filthy too. There was no electricity so that I could clean up a bit.
I do not know what to do. My daughter constantly makes excuses for him. She is very against single parents and does not want to be one. She is losing her friends and family because of this man's conduct. I am really struggling to keep going and not join the people who no longer see her. She can be such a lovely girl but I think she picks bad men, The previous partner was similar in many ways but different. The previous one was in control by violence this one is manipulative.
I wish I could have time with my daughter and GC and have fun and peaceful outings. She and the children can not have a very good life in all this filth and with finances so rocky. I realise my daughter is an adult and should know better but I believe she is too tired and stressed to think straight. (Or maybe I have rose tinted specs)
Any advice, suggestions or hints would be greatly appreciated.

Nelliemoser Wed 20-Aug-14 19:34:48

There is a scheme referred to s Clare's law which allows a person to see if a partner has any history od domestic abuse.

stansgran If you have never heard of a man/woman who fits this description then you are very lucky.

There are a lot of them about in all socio economic groups in society. they tend to light on those partners that are emotionally vulnerable or very lonely.

Sugarpufffairy Wed 20-Aug-14 20:23:21

I totally agree with the view that he thinks he can pick on weaker people. My husband and father died with within months of each other. My husband would have given this SIL a good fright shall we say and my dad would have sliced and diced him with two sentences. I know that he is taking advantage of this situation. My other SIL refuses point blank to be in the same place as this SIL.
He has already found out that I might be old, small and ill but I do bite back. He does not have the sense to keep that in mind. I refused to hand over money. I will never allow the children to be short of food. I really wish they could have clean plates cups and bottles.
All this is going on in Scotland so I doubt is Clare's Law would apply here. When SS investigiated it came out that he had a stealing conviction. We know that he has a daughter that he does not see. There have been two conflicting stories about this. My daughter has already had two children taken from her because they were being hit by the previous partner and she did not or could not stand up to him. When he hit me years ago and I was younger then I hit him straight back and she screamed at me to stop hitting him!
I have stayed out of the way since I last saw them a few days ago. I have been in the house as I feel very tired and sore after heaving stuff around to move them to the new house. There was no money to pay a van despite all the over time lately,
Other family members are staying away completely. I have phoned SS today but the person I have to speak to was not available today. I will try tomorrow. It is all causing me so much stress and worry. The last time it all caused me to have a stroke and I am scared of that again.
Something has to be done. I am glad that emotional abuse is being recognised together with this keeping family members away from the woman (or man). I have to think of some way to make her see the light and hoping to get someone to speak to her as a long time friend.
Thank you all for your kindness and consideration.

Sugarpufffairy Sun 24-Aug-14 22:53:42

I managed to make contact with the appropriate person. They dont seem to think there is much going on or much that they can do.
This weekend the whole situation has completely blown up. Other family mumbers have decided enough is enough. At least one of the friends from primary school has now decided to leave this situation.
I am heartbroken. This is my daughter and I want her (and the children) to be safe, comfortable and clean. It looks as if no-one here is going to do anything to help them. No wonder there are baby Ps all over the UK. According to Action on Elder Abuse Social Services are responsible for ensuring the elderly and disabled are safe. The person I spoke to did not seem to think this was the case. If the worst comes to the worst I wil fight to my death to ensure that this man does not get his hands on any money (other than what he takes from my daughter)
angry sad

Kiora Sun 24-Aug-14 23:50:05

sugarpuffairy I can really empathise with you. My problems with my daughter are very well documented on here so I won't bore everyone with another description. I'm afraid you just have to wait it out until she hits rock bottom. If my daughter asked for my advice I would encourage her to leave offering all our support but I never forced my opinions on her. I just kept reassuring her that she could make a life if she left. That we'd help all we could. During one conversation I said " your not old but do really think you've got another 15 years to waste. If your going to leave perhaps you need to take into account that your dad and I will be due to retire in the next 3-5 years and won't have the finances to help as much as we can now" The other thing that helped was that she took her boys to a boxing club and after a few months the people there saw what we had always known was there and encouraged her and gave her the confidence to leave. I think they made her realise her own worth. I know it's hard but don't clean her house, your just delaying things and propping up the situation. I just made sure that when I saw the children and my daughter that I gave them some respite and we enjoyed ourselves. My daughter left at Christmas. Now she keeps telling everyone how happy she is. It's not that she's happy. It's that she's free, free of fear, free of depression, of being manipulated, being controlled,. For the first time in her life she has a life. A life of her own at 35. But she had to hit the bottom and we had to watch. So in short stand by her as much as you can. Encourage her to meet other people so she can perhaps see her situation through other peoples eyes. And look after your own emotional health this sort of stuff is draining. Good luck and hang on in there

Sugarpufffairy Fri 19-Sep-14 00:20:41

Quick update. I have not seen DD1 since she took away the things she was storing in one of my properties on 18 August. For the few weeks before this happened she was not answering texts or phone calls not just from me but also from other people. Schools opened here on 13 August. I have not seen my DGD since she started school on that date. There is a non school age child too that I have not seen for months. A number of friends and relatives have given up with trying to get her to see sense about what is going on.
I have been ill and she has not even phoned to checked that I am alive. All help has come from another 1 of my children. That is not fair. I had to care for my parents single handedly although I was not an only child. It is so difficult with some people. I dont think I can cope with all this anymore. Worse than that I dont think I even want to try! What a sad statement.

Yogagirl Fri 19-Sep-14 09:48:18

Morning Sugarpuff sorry to hear of your sad plight, I too asked other family members to help, they didn't and now they have been cut out of my D & GC lives too. I wish you luck flowers
I wish with all my heart that my D would do they same as yours Kiora, and leave her nasty husband and his mother (they now live with her). Well done flowers

FlicketyB Fri 19-Sep-14 11:28:41

sugarpuff seek help for yourself. Speak to Age UK, and to your GP, the problems you are going through are obviously damaging your health. Seek help from other members of your family, they are clearly supportive.

Then take a deep breath and try to think about the situation unemotionally. All, well nearly all, of us love our children and grandchildren deeply and want to spare them any harm, but sometimes the best way to do this is to have the courage to step back and do nothing. To do, not what we want to do, but what is in the long-term best interest of our family.

In this case, I think you need to choose to disengage from your DD and DGC. To a large extent this has happened, but I would imagine that when the next crisis strikes they will be back. When that happens, quietly and firmly refuse any help, express no worries or concerns. Enter Just say no and withdraw. By giving help, by expressing your distress to your daughter, by trying to help, you are actually prolonging the agony and helping the family unit survive.

Once your DD has to stand on her own, without your physical, monetary support and emotional involvement, she may reach the tipping point you so desire. There is no guarantee, but it is more likely than not. Then you can step in and without recrimination offer the practical help she will need to establish herself and her children alone and in safety.

Sugarpufffairy Mon 05-Jan-15 21:26:43

Just to update.
I have seen DD1 and children literally once or twice since September 2014 She is still working all sorts of crazy hours and the husband is still not working or doing much cleaning.
DD1 has had time to go to a place 40 miles from here to pick up something for his sister but no time to see me 4 miles away or DD2 who is 8 miles from her.
DD1 had bought me a present of a voucher for a day out for 2. We went together to that. I also bought her some clothes while we were out. I had already bought clothes for DGD. I bought several outfits for DGS while we were out.
I next heard from her in mid December that she was at work on night shift but did not have an inhaler with her. I had to get out of bed get dressed and drive through town in the middle of the night. Not a word of thanks. The next day I called at her house to check her asthma so that I could feel comfortable with her determination to go to work (if she does not work she does not get paid). She had already left. Her husband was there with the DGC, the boy was asleep and the girl age 5 was sent to bed while he ate a sandwich. I was not offerred tea or food. He told me his sister had been ready to go in a taxi with an inhaler but the cost would be a lot. I left.
I asked DD! if she was going to DD2 for Christmas. She said NO. I was at DD2 with EX her father.
DD1 then put a picture on Facebook of my father just days before he died. My dad was in a hospital bed wearing a hospital gown and did not look like himself at all. I asked her to take this off and got heaps of mums from Baby Centre abusing me for asking her.
I have cut her off my facebook.
My Ex invited everyone for New Year dinner. I went and it was as fine as Christmas Day. He said that is the third New Year he has invited DD1 and family and she has failed to appear or make contact to explain why she just does not show up.
DD2 and my Ex are both angry with her. I am disappointed in her. We just cannot go on like this. I feel so sorry that she has lost her eldest 2 children who are now both over 12 and could ask to see her but one has said nothing the other who is older said there was to be no contact. Now DD2, my Ex and myself are all giving up with her. The kids are not allowed to see their maternal relatives. They apparently NEEDED clothes despite their mother working all hours. Social Workers are not well enough trained in abuse to understand manipulation and isolation so no help there.
I cant see that there is anything more that can be done. One thing I will say is that if what happened on Facebook is an example of the young mothers of today God help the children! They are foul and vile, scummy types. I would not want anything to do with their likes.
Sad but that is life as a grandmother in 2015

FlicketyB Tue 06-Jan-15 17:44:38

Sugarpufffairy You are going through a difficult time and no-one who reads your sad story can do other than feel sympathy for you. But you obviously have a second daughter who is kind and loving and everything a daughter should be and she is probably more typical, of today's young mothers than your other daughter. Make the most of her and remember although one of your children is a source of great sadness and worry for you the other is the reverse and glory that she is all that she is.

Sadly you are not the only grandparent in your situation. That is no consolation but it does mean that you are not alone and there are other gransnetters who understand what you are going through from their own experience and others who may not share your experience but are always here to support you.

Sugarpufffairy Tue 06-Jan-15 22:59:47

Thank you Flickety B
I do make the most of my other daughter, the young one. I am sad that my DD1 is isolating herself and putting her children and herself at risk but I know that I can not go on coping. I know that there are quite a few other grans who are treated much the same as me and I feel for them as well as myself. It is not right. We cannot change the way our kids turn out despite our best efforts. I have been out with DD2 a fair bit recently. I enjoy our wee outings and I know she has been good in her life and good to me. She deserves recognition and she has had it.
Hope you are well thanks again