I was so disappointed

Nonu your post of Sun 04-Jan-15 21:59:58 is the best post I have read on GN for a long time. Love the phrasing!

thatbags......

I think people may mistake a conviction of the justice of one's argument for anger. It is not people's beliefs that anyone is arguing against. Well, certainly I'm not and I haven't noticed anyone else doing so either. I wonder how many times I have to say that I don't care a fig what other people believe before I am believed on that score? It's not the beliefs that matter; it's the demand that certain beliefs deserve special protection, special consideration by people who don't share those beliefs, that is the problem.

Katek & b . A good chuckle for a Monday morning.

katek

Funnily enough, when I left this thread last night and skipped merrily over to Twitter, I came across this (via a wonderful image of a huuuuuge snow and ice cornice on Mont Blanc). Someone had as their profile pic this quotation:

"If you are easily offended, now is the right time to fuck off".

That made me laugh too

On the question of being offended.......

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs

I know ANA , I will you & et al a sweet goodnight

(Not you, Nonu)

Talk about knickers in a twist! Why do some people get so angry about other people believing something they don't?

Well may I say sweetie if you will allow me, that if you feel offended all the time , why you join in ? May I ask gently why you feel offended all the B___Y , time ? .
I send you my best wishes .
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I wish I hadn't missed that wildlife programme. Both of them.

G'night folks! Sweet dreams.

Which point, nonu? The one about feeling offended all the bloody time?

Just a wee thought, wonder if some people labour the point to exhaustion and beyond ??
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That was a lovely programme about tiger conservation on BBC. A nice change from wolves!

Jesus, Mary mother of God! There's so much complaining going on, I'm with the heavens help us brigade.

It was a wildlife programme about a family of wolves for ffs.

It would be lovely to live in the world of which you speak bags but it seems to be far from the one we hear of all the time.

I prefer heaven help them but I agree with the sentiment expressed, jings. Cheers, pal

So, yeah, if people truly think that Buchan was trashing their religion or their faith, then I truly think that they are being ridiculously self-centred, and... well... heaven help them!

let's all agree to say fuck me, and shut up about it.

You sure you're not making too much of this Bags?

As an atheist, if I were to say "Oh god!" in a fraught situation, would I be insulting someone's god? Or would I just be having a fraught outburst and using an expression people (including people who believe in gods) use quite frequently?

(I don't say it, by the way; the question is for argument's sake).

I thought it was open-minded not to mind what people say when it is perfectly obvious that they mean no offence. I thought it was open-minded to let such things pass. When someone clearly does mean to be offensive it is a different matter.

Threads occur on GN quite frequently in which people 'vent' about new idiomatic expressions that annoy them. I know annoyance is not the same as feeling hurt but that situation (e.g. minding when someone says "I'm good" where one would prefer them to say "I'm fine") has a similarity, at least in my mind. It seems to me to be a case of getting worked up to a greater or lesser extent over something that isn't really important. (No, I am not saying religion isn't important to the people to whom it is important).

Buchan saying the words he said in the situation described was not an attack on anyone's faith or anyone's deep feelings about god. It was simply an awed outburst with reference only to him. He was expressing his emotion, his feeling of awe, not trashing someone else's strong feelings about something entirely different.

If someone feels that their religion or god is "trashed" by what Buchan said (I'd hazard a bet he wasn't thinking of religion or god, though he might have been for all I know), then really I feel truly sorry for them, not in a patronising way, just a baffled way that something they hold so dear is so apparently fragile and vulnerable.

I do not live in a world where human sensitivities have been trashed. Quite the reverse. I live in a world that I believe is becoming more tolerant and more sensitive to the important things in life. It saddens me to think that some people are not experiencing that and feel so negative about the world.

I agree with everything you've said in that post, Lilygran, not from any religious point of view on my part.

The concepts of tolerance and open-mindedness seem to have gone by the board on this thread. I honestly don't understand comments such as 'There's no reason for anyone to be so easily offended.' If someone is offended, then there is a reason, even if you, personally, don't get it...

If he had met a wolf while out for a ramble, astonished surprise leading to expletives would be understandable. But as Nonu says, this was a wildlife film. He is an experienced presenter. And more to the point, he was accompanied by at least one other person. It was,partly, fiction as most documentaries are. I still can't understand why bags keeps insisting that trying to prevent people from saying things that will upset other people arises from a 'patronising kind of superiority'. There are many words and expressions and attitudes common twenty or thirty years ago which are illegal today in the UK and the world is a better place than it was as a result. What a pity we've trashed other sensitivities. Because some people think they don't matter anymore.