To think the school has not dealt with this well?

I was referring to Galen's link and realising I now haven't got time to explore all the things I could find interesting in this lovely world of ours.

I wasn't really thinking of obscure sexual practices. Two afternoons with a book and you can know all about those, at least in theory

Me too loopylou and I think I will be happy to stay that way.

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I thoght petallus meant that Galen's link about Petaluma had made her feel wistful...

petallus I am increasingly thinking either I've led a very sheltered life or am ridiculously naive !

petllus Believe me, living next door to a masochist is no laughing matter. The terrible things that I could hear drove me out of the flat I was living in.

Thanks Galen.

It made me feel wistful to think how much is out there I don't have an inkling of.

We were 'aving a larf.

rosequartz see grannytwice post at 18.15

ninathenana um er, well yes, I did realise.

Went off to do my Old Granny Knitting. DH refused to be tied up with the wool so I carried on with k1 p1.

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Most, but not all ?

Most, but not all, of my knowledge about these matters is second hand. I have had some very adventurous friends!

Including a couple of gay women who were into S and M. They were only slightly mortified when their next door neighbour dropped a strong hint about the thinness of the walls between the houses.

pas quoi

Petaluma (it does have a certain je ne sais pas doesn't it?) you're losing me somewhat on S & M, I really have little experience to base my point of view on. But if you know better.....

And I think we may have shocked Jingl she pulling funny faces at us!!

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Are we drifting into fantasy-land?

I like Petaluma !

I see what you are saying Anya and I certainly don't like portrayals of women as victims in generally available erotica/pornography. It makes me cringe.

Between consenting adults in private, with the use of a safe word and all that, well I think that's different.

And what if the S and M is between two women? Would you still see one of them as a victim? I ask because for me a man would have to be involved, with all the history of oppression that goes with the hetero relationships.

victims in the wider sense Jingl

I have read it and it is so badly written it is laughable.

You actually talk about sexual preferences with your friends Anya?!

Ooh! Perhaps I could ask for it for Mothers' Day. make a change from stuffed hearts

Right! That's it Juliette. I've got to get it. Hope it's on kindle. Too to get it in a shop.

Sorry about misspelling your name petallus - predictive text run amok

Petaluma definitions of masochism
1. The deriving of sexual gratification, or the tendency to derive sexual gratification, from being physically or emotionally abused.
2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from being humiliated or mistreated, either by another or by oneself.

Allowing yourself to be 'physically or emotionally abused' or 'humiliated or mistreated' sounds like a victim complex to me.

Anyway some people actually enjoy being a victim.

But it's just a bee I have in my bonnet about women as victims. I know several who feel positively relish their role as 'victim'