Jeremy Corbyn

Wouldn't know about sci-fi rosesarered, never read it.

I don't think it ridiculous that people bemoan 'all politicians are the same' because there is a lot of truth in that soundbite.

Obviously not all politicians are the same but certainly parties when in power can operate very differently from how we would have imagined e.g. Labour's illegal war, introducing uni tuition fees and had they had their way, introduction of ID cards for all. Things I would have previously only expected of a Tory government.

Charisma is not a word I'd ever thought of associating with Corbyn.

I think you have to be face to face with a person to see charisma. I can see that he might have it.

Rosesarered - why is my opinion 'ridiculous', 'simply not true', and 'a good soundbite' just because it's different from yours? I've stated my opinion, made it clear it was such. The labour party voters were offered four candidates and voted in the one that seemed - in my opinion - to offer a different set of views to the other three. That's what I was pointing out and it's plain daft to liken that to something akin to voting in a shaman to replace the NHS. That attitude suggests that voters aren't smart enough to see the difference or make good choices and that's what this vote was all about. It was a warning shot to complacent politicians and political parties not to take the electorate for granted. In my opinion.

Strange that most of the people on here are ones who would never vote Labour anyway, so what does it matter to you?

I'm an adolescent as well, Anniebach, and I know a lot of others.Much better to be an adolescent than a world-weary grown up.

At least he has changed PMQs to something resembling a grown up debate instead of a bear garden.

"They seem to enjoy a bit of terror themselves, these Saudi rulers that we like to have a relationship with. So when Tory MP Priti Patel said last week, “Jeremy Corbyn supports terrorists”, presumably she meant it as a compliment. The only thing is, Corbyn called for the prison deal to be scrapped. This proves he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Instead of speaking at an event with a member of Hamas, the Labour leader needs to sell planes and arrange deals on human rights with a King who beheads people. That’s if he expects to be taken seriously, of course."

I know this is about Saudi, but it's about Corbyn as well.

Djen, it matters to all of us that we get a credible Opposition in Parliament regardless of the way we vote.
Adolescents usually grow up, and see that life is not so simplistic as they had previously thought.
PMQ's has just become boring and allowed Cameron to push all his policies, both good and bad, it is now an easy time for him to answer Kelly from Brighton or Mavis from Basingstoke.
Mollie, that ' you can't put a fag paper between them' is not your own thought/quote, although I can see that your post agrees with it, but of course it is not true. The nearest it came to that was in the earlier Blair years. Nowadays you could probably put a brick wall between the policies.
It's every much a soundbite as the much loved ( by Ed Miliband) as the 'policy made up on the back of a fag packet/ envelope'.You are not wrong in saying that Corbyn offered different views to the other three candidates, but my shaman point was that why would anyone actually want those extreme views?Unless they were extremists, as we know now that quite a good proportion of £3 voters were.

You know why many voted for Corbyn rosequartz ? Gosh I manned phones throughout the leadership contest and I don't know , in all honesty I only know why I voted , I can guess why others voted but I cannot say with your conviction that I know

A) I am not rosequartz
B) it's a fact that all kinds of people voted for Corbyn from the left, including those with extreme views, Trots, Marxists, Communists, and the like.Unions also whipped up support as did McConnell on social media 'the disaffected youth' that everyone is keen on.Plus Labour voters who just liked him, and thought ( wrongly) IMO that he would be good for the Party.I think the old saying of ' be careful what you wish for, you may just get it ' has come home to roost.

No, not my unique and original thought, not even considered a soundbite, just a phrase my old dad used to death. Of course, in liking JC, and considering voting for him if he gets that far at a general election, I must be both wrong and an extremist. I'm neither, in my personal view, but thank you for telling me rosesarered.

Well, roses knows better than anyone who voted for him why they voted for him, so let's not quibble, mollie.
Let's just say that I must be wrong and an extremist and an adolescent along with you and Anniebach.
Anyone else want to join our group?

OK, good point.

No need to take things personally at all mollie, it's just politics debate.A lot of extremists did vote for Corbyn, a lot of Labour voters also voted for him too.But do remember that his views are socialist and quite extreme, and that alone could damage the Labour Party, and ( should he ever get into power) the country.The Labour Party fought to rid itself of extreme left wing people and this year has allowed it all to come trickling back in.

A. I apologise for mixing up your name rosesarered,

B. You did say - quite a proportion of £3 voters were extremists ,the press claim this but neither you or the press know if quite a proportion who voted were extremists ,

Be careful what you wish for certainly came home to roost for many who voted for Thatcher

I am doing well , I am an extremist, an adolescent because I voted for Corbyn and pedantic because I will not say a access to a council house garage is a drive . Just hope the subject of lounge v living room doesn't come up

I think that if you read my last two posts again Djen, you will see that I said a lot of Labour supporters had voted wrongly IMO for him. You will note the IMO.

Well, pedantic or snobbish annibach ( regarding the council house) so which is it?

You must stop living in the past, anniebach, how many years now since Thatcher?

I think that Corbyns views are extreme ( he may not get extreme policies put through, but that's another thing.)So it stands to reason that people with equally extreme left wing views would vote for and support him.

Well heaven help us, JC's socialist ideas might harm the Labour Party
Which seems to prove the point that Thatcher's legacy is still with us after all these years, as continued by Tony Blair (didn't she say he was her greatest achievement or something along those lines?). IMO we have never been more in need of a socialist alternative than now.

Neither pedantic or snobbish rosesarered , I don't call the A47 the M47 , perhaps you do, your choice

ooops, sorry rosesarered, forgot to say , I find Hyacinth Bucket soooo amusing ,

Corbyns Socialist ideas will hurt the Labour Party if they lose the next election.The Labour Party would simply be a kind of protest party.