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Restricting applications to make things balance

(16 Posts)
trisher Fri 23-Oct-15 11:04:55

I recently learned about an opportunity for a large organisation which openly stated it would look more favourably on applications from women and ethnic minorities in order to improve their diversity figures. Other people could apply, but would not necessarily have their applications looked at. Am I wrong to think that any applications should be looked at and the best person for the position appointed. Couldn't this restriction mean people of real talent are overlooked?

Maggiemaybe Fri 23-Oct-15 11:47:29

As my DD2 left University there was a rush of newly created posts in the field she wanted to work in across various national art galleries and museums. Only open to applicants of specific ethnic minority backgrounds. I don't know if that would be legal now. As her great-grandad was a foundling, origins unknown, I tried to persuade her to apply anyway, but she wouldn't. grin

ginny Fri 23-Oct-15 11:53:28

Any job, post, position should go the person thought to be the best applicant. It should not matter what colour, creed, ethnicity or sex they are.
Surely anything else would be prejudice towards certain groups of people.

Jane10 Fri 23-Oct-15 14:02:11

I suppose that maybe places like galleries have been awarded funding based on offering employment to targeted populations?

soontobe Fri 23-Oct-15 16:05:39

What if say, a criminal with a violent history was allowed to work in a school?

rosequartz Fri 23-Oct-15 16:33:15

I thought it was illegal - unlawful discrimination on the grounds of race and sex:

Here is a case from 2006 where Gloucestershire Police were found to have rejected applications from white male job applicants:

Nonnie Fri 23-Oct-15 17:18:21

I've seen that too but not recently because I haven't been looking for a job. I think it was pretty standard for public organisations but agree it is wrong. DH and I had this conversation yesterday when there was a discussion on the radio about under representation of ethnic minorities in the police and we agreed it would be unfair to positively discriminate.

Maggiemaybe Fri 23-Oct-15 18:34:23

I don't follow your reasoning, soon?

rosequartz Fri 23-Oct-15 18:44:45

A criminal with a violent history would not be allowed to work in a school soon because they would have to have a DBS check which they would not pass.

I think the OP was about positive discrimination enabling more women and ethnic minorities joining the firm in question.

Of course, if a firm advertised that they wanted to recruit white males and that applications from women or ethnic minorities would probably not be considered they would be in court pdq.

loopylou Fri 23-Oct-15 18:53:30

Positive discrimination isn't it?

I'm not sure how they get away with it, but it isn't unusual.

rosesarered Fri 23-Oct-15 19:55:42

I know it should really be the best person chosen, but.... Sometimes a bit of positive discrimination is needed in order to get say, black or ethnic people into organisations, it kind of paves the way for companies to get used to more diverse employees, also women!

pensionpat Mon 26-Oct-15 12:58:29

My understanding is that the furthest an employer can go is say in the advert that applications are welcomed from women /older people/specific ethnic origin. Applications must then be considered on their merit.

durhamjen Mon 26-Oct-15 13:38:57

Last week police forces were criticised by Theresa May for not having enough ethnic minority police officers. So what should they do?

Anya Mon 26-Oct-15 13:39:06

Our LEA (as was) had an application form with a removable front page where all the personal data regarding sex, ethnicity, name, etc was written.

Each application was allotted a number and this was written in the front page, by administration, and a corresponding number written on the remaining pages of the application form.

Only them was it sent to the appropriate department for shortlisting. So unless you chose to declare something personal about yourself in the body of the application you were effectively anonymous.

Luckygirl Mon 26-Oct-15 13:50:30

I am not in favour of positive discrimination. You just need the right person for the job - that is true equality.

I am reminded of the 11+ and how there was a positive discrimination in favour of boys, as so many more girls passed than boys. The pass mark was upped for girls, depriving many academic girls of the chance of an academic education. The whole concept of grammar schools may in itself no longer be approved of, but the discrimination in this policy was iniquitous.

Teetime Mon 26-Oct-15 14:20:40

Every time we were reorganised in the NHS which was about every 18 months senior posts were only open to those already in senior posts despite the fact that they had already screwed things up so much that we had to have a reorganisation so therefore promotion prospects were zero.