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Jalima Thu 25-Aug-16 11:17:01

I sometimes wear long cotton trousers and top plus a hat on the beach; I like a bit of sunshine for Vitamin D but prefer to cover up than use excessive amounts of suncream.

If I go to France will I be made to strip off to my swimsuit by armed police in order to respect good morals?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/burkini-swimwear-ban-france-nice-armed-police-hijab-muslim-a7206776.html
Or is it just women wearing headscarves?

I know that France is jittery and for good reason, but is this the right way forward?
Will this not exacerbate an already tense situation?

Ana Fri 26-Aug-16 13:48:18

I don't know, obieone, but whether it's their own choice, that of their menfolk or half and half, women who wish to cover up in public aren't going to venture onto any French beaches in future and their children will miss out.

obieone Fri 26-Aug-16 13:15:58

I cant work out whether the women want to wear the burka or not.

Are they under the mens' thumbs or not?
Or some of each.

Jalima Fri 26-Aug-16 12:32:00

OK, they were armed
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/burkini-ban-uk-muslims-beach-swimwear-france-arrests-hijab-brighton-beach-a7209031.html

The photograph of officers armed with handguns, batons and pepper spray standing round as the woman removed a blue headscarf and matching top went viral on social media on 23 August.
When asked what the Muslim Council of Britain thought of the measure, one of its spokepeople said: "The French authorities are in good company: the only other people forcing women to change their clothing at gun point are Daesh [Isis]."

merlotgran Fri 26-Aug-16 10:50:13

Interesting possibility

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 26-Aug-16 10:16:25

Where is the picture of the woman being forced to uncover at gunpoint?

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 26-Aug-16 10:13:27

A nun wears a habit through her own choice. She is not being held under some man's thumb.

There's a difference. Think about it.

Nelliemoser Fri 26-Aug-16 09:40:10

Anya Yes it really does make the point. I like the two guys sun bathing in their wet suits. (Or motobike leathers)

I do not like full face covering. But head scarfs can look good.
What price Liberté, égalité, fraternité

Anya Fri 26-Aug-16 08:58:08

It is true Petra that very rare to see the burka in this country. Of course many people, and I don't mean you, mistake the niqab for a burka. If you google 'burka' you invariably gets pictures of the niqab.

obieone Fri 26-Aug-16 08:57:22

www.theguardian.com/world/french-burqa-and-niqab-ban

suzied Fri 26-Aug-16 08:56:39

I am confused- what is difference- burka, hijab, niquab? I know one is a head covering, and one is a face covering, and not sure what the other one is- is it the whole body thing? Which is which? I see them all here in London.

Lillie Fri 26-Aug-16 08:56:15

Yes, gettingonabit, that is where France is very different from us in what is prohibited in the way of religious attire. I assume their fear is that such clothing aligns those wearing it with terrorism.
I had a young French girl from Normandy staying with us a few months ago and she was horrified to see women wearing the niqab in London as she had assumed it was illegal. If that is how the next French generation are being brought up to view things, then I fear such decisions may well bring about disaster.

obieone Fri 26-Aug-16 08:52:53

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ban_on_face_covering

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/01/france-burqa-ban-upheld-human-rights-court

gettingonabit Fri 26-Aug-16 08:39:05

..and niqabs, and other forms of muslim dress. Men wearing muslim dress too, and kids on way to mosque. Kids' school uniform comprises a black headscarf and long dress if wished.

gettingonabit Fri 26-Aug-16 08:37:03

Loads of burkas round here. UK city.

petra Fri 26-Aug-16 08:29:30

Anya
Yes I have. Egypt, Morroco, Tunisia, Turkey ( secular) i saw the Niqab in all of them, of course, but not the burka.

rosesarered Fri 26-Aug-16 00:06:12

I must be the only poster who doesn't do Facebook/Twitter etc

Anya Thu 25-Aug-16 23:59:14

This mace me smile

Anya Thu 25-Aug-16 23:45:53

You've not travelled in Muslim countries then petra.

Nellie I saw that photo on FB too. It makes the point very clearly doesn't it?

Nelliemoser Thu 25-Aug-16 23:36:37

Josephine Liptrott
Yesterday at 10:05 · London ·
(copied from FaceBook)

"Just to be absolutely clear, only ONE of these is illegal on French beaches."

Jalima Thu 25-Aug-16 23:31:02

Well, that would be interesting, wouldn't it!
A nun being threatened with pepper spray by armed police and forced to strip shock
And fined for not respecting good morals.

rosesarered Thu 25-Aug-16 23:23:21

Does this mean that a nun can't have a wander down the beach in France?

Jalima Thu 25-Aug-16 23:22:59

hmm ordering a woman at gunpoint to strip off to respect morals, then fining her? confused

If they want things to change this is not the way to go about it.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 25-Aug-16 23:19:12

have a point

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 25-Aug-16 23:18:19

I think France has decided that they don't want the women-repressing aspects of a religion, on show in their country. Maybe they gave a point. It's their society.

Jalima Thu 25-Aug-16 22:52:02

She was only wearing a headscarf though, and they made her take her long-sleeved top off too.