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Jalima Thu 25-Aug-16 11:17:01

I sometimes wear long cotton trousers and top plus a hat on the beach; I like a bit of sunshine for Vitamin D but prefer to cover up than use excessive amounts of suncream.

If I go to France will I be made to strip off to my swimsuit by armed police in order to respect good morals?
Or is it just women wearing headscarves?

I know that France is jittery and for good reason, but is this the right way forward?
Will this not exacerbate an already tense situation?

Anya Mon 29-Aug-16 21:22:28


Jalima Mon 29-Aug-16 11:30:05

Presumably this is more in accord with the national character?

Lovely, although not all may think the same, and her choice, so why deny other women the right to wear what they want on the beach?

obieone Sun 28-Aug-16 22:31:12

So Sarkozi is speaking from a feminist point of view it would seem.

I guess a country can go as far as it likes to preserve it's national character?

It seems to be, that, with the issue of migrants, it is going to have the opposite effect. Instead of countries becoming more multi-cultural, they are going to become more nationalistic[if that is the right word] instead.
France vote for Frexit?
Seems to me the beginning of the end of the EU.

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 28-Aug-16 22:17:35

Interesting point re Sikhs wearing turbans. I suppose that wouldn't be allowed in schools and the other buildings that Muslim headscarves are not allowed. But a man wearing a turban on the beach would be within the law.

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 28-Aug-16 22:13:35

"in the Republic men and women are equal".

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 28-Aug-16 22:12:09

Sarkozi has certainly got get bit between his teeth

How far is it reasonable for a country to go to protect and preserve it's national character?

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 28-Aug-16 22:06:33

It is a shame. The whole thing is awful.

granjura Sun 28-Aug-16 21:57:28

And today a restaurateur has refused to serve 2 French Muslim women wearing scarves because 'all Muslims are terrorists' - and Zarkosi is calling for 'assimilation' instead of 'integration'.

Tragic. Islamophobia in France is getting out of hand and is playing right into the hands of those who want to radicalise young people sad

obieone Sun 28-Aug-16 12:52:15

petra,it seems so, yes.

BlueBelle Sun 28-Aug-16 12:50:54

I know they don't Petre just offering an alternative ie nuns Etc or even this one that made me smile on a Scottish beach

petra Sun 28-Aug-16 12:41:57

BlueBelle The French don't have a problem with Sikhs.

BlueBelle Sun 28-Aug-16 12:34:26

By the way the lady on the French beach with the armed cops surrounding her was not wearing a burka she had on a headscarf and some blue body covering No matter ne has a right to tell people what to wear in public
what would happen if a Sikh was on the beach in a turban ( could be covering a gun ) would he be a target No I don't think so

live and let live enjoy our differences bloody boring old world when we are all cloned

petra Sun 28-Aug-16 12:30:53

obieone so as long as your arms and legs are covered does that mean that that great temptress, the hair, is ok to show?

BlueBelle Sun 28-Aug-16 12:30:07

I was on the sea yesterday nearby was a Muslim family the women were fully covered with headscarves and having a brilliant time in the water upto their waist getting covered with the waves the husbands were playing ball in the sea the kids were squealing in the waves one husband smiled at me nodding towards a little girl said with great pride ' my daughter' I smiled back No one took the slightest bit of notice everyone was too busy enjoying themselves

What about a nun are they going to be frogmarched off the beach or someone with a skin problem It's a huge violation of human rights If I was in France I d put my best harem pants on a scarf round my head and sit with them

obieone Sun 28-Aug-16 12:20:33

Dressing modestly in Islam seems to be about covering arms and legs.

Agree with Saira Khan.
The link is very good.
It hadn't really occured to me before that other muslims dont want the burka either.

petra Sun 28-Aug-16 12:08:45

POGS for many years I wasn't a fan, and she can still annoy me. But on this subject she knows what she is talking about and is more than angry than many of 'us'.

Puts tin hat on for this comment.
I believe that over the past 20 yrs a great number of illiterate, ignorant, Muslim men have settled in our country. Instead of integrating they go back to their home country and marry one of their first cousins who is usually as uneducated as he is. Then these pitiful young women are used as domestic skivys for his family.

TriciaF Sun 28-Aug-16 11:59:08

It's the same in Malaya, where we used to work in the 60s when women wore casual long frocks, no hair covering. Now many in the burka.
The Sunnis are forcing out Shiites?

whitewave Sun 28-Aug-16 11:45:17

Yes petra There have been Muslims in the UK for donkeys years; but the Burka was it seems only worn by Arabian women visiting with their husbands and were a real novelty
Now suddenly the burka is everywhere and I can't quite grasp the reasoning behind it. Were Muslim women becoming immodest, so it was thought necessary to introduce greater covering?

POGS Sun 28-Aug-16 11:40:59


I am no fan hers but I remember she too has written on the subject and I have seen her 'quite vocal' discussing this on t.v .

petra Sun 28-Aug-16 11:37:43

there is a rise in the community of the wearing of more traditional Muslim clothing and male domination
Exactly what jasmin Alibhai- Brown says. She is asking, what happened, we never saw this 20 yrs ago.

POGS Sun 28-Aug-16 11:26:01

Totally agree with Saira Khan

POGS Sun 28-Aug-16 11:18:17

It's not an easy question is it 'to ban or not to ban'

It is dependant on the freedom of the woman to choose but this is where the subject falls down. There are countries, religious sects, pure male domination and who can forget the likes of Daesh who force women into wearing the niqab/burka. The burka/niqab is 'hated' by some Muslim women and indeed men but the oppression in some countries or by certain Muslim sects means the conformity to wear the burka/niqab.

If you knew you could be subjected to a beating if you refused to wear the burka/niqab what would you do? I know I would wear one. The burka is nothing more than male domination and women have no choice. It is the choice of men/Imams/Muslim Leaders who put their own slant as to how the teachings of the Quran are read and women must in all things subject themselves to their wishes.

The French ban on the burkini is taking it possibly too far as the burkini, like the hijab, does not cover the face and one would presume is therefore down to the choice of the woman. Had it been at the dictatorship of an overtly religious male then you would not see her face that would be veiled too.

There is another spanner to throw into the mix and I have mentioned this before on a similar thread. My friends have discussed all this before and my Muslim friends think there is a rise in the community for the wearing of more traditional Muslim clothing and male domination . These are women who have left behind many years ago depressive countries but are not going around blinkered to the fact over the last few years there just feels like there is an intake of new people who are trying to get their way within the Muslim community, not integrating and it causes them concern.

France maybe in the news at the moment but there are plenty of other countries whom I mentioned earlier such as Switzerland, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands have banned the burka/niqab. Germany has just stopped short of banning but plenty of other countries are debating the banning of them. Turkey, Syria, Tunisia have banned ' the veil' and the hijab is not allowed to be worn in some cases I believe.

Anya Sun 28-Aug-16 11:17:14


Anya Sun 28-Aug-16 11:16:59

Yes, workplaces can impose a dress code. Wasn't there a case recently where a young woman took a company to court for insisting she word high heels ......and she lost?

TriciaF Sun 28-Aug-16 10:53:10

Muslim women wearing a burqua often have their faces beautifully madeup.
And at home many wear normal clothing, but modest. Sometimes even jeans. According to our DiL who lives in Kuwait, and knows Saudi Arabia too.
I'll have to ask her whether they ever go swimming in the sea there, and if so what they wear.