To sack the cleaner?

There's not too much stuff sitting around. It's my paperwork, in a neat pile waiting to be gone through before being filed into the new sideboard. Other than that it's some new bits I have bought over the last few months waiting for DS to move out so that I could mix things up a bit. It will be sorted in two shakes of a lamb's tail.

Ruby if you have sent that text what response did you get? I hope it is all done and dusted anyway!

That woman was very disrespectful and does not deserve your consideration so do not have her back again. Do ensure that those photos are properly deleted.
To expect you to keep everything clean and tidy is ridiculous since one employs a cleaner to clean. If you are in the middle of a task it is to be expected that there will be orderly piles awaiting attention, after all Rome wasn't built in a day!
She should be able to follow instructions and once she knows your routine and needs she should not expect to be told the same thing repeatedly.

The problem is often that people expect others to feel just like they do in terms of energy and wellness and lack the empathy to be aware that if you are unwell you often just can not do very much let alone think about doing it or even planning it for someone else. Thinking can be very draining to someone who is unwell. After all, if you were well enough to do it yourself she would not have been employed.
I find that a written list is essential for me so that I can prioritise things on that list or delete from it and add something else as required.

I am still attempting to train my new cleaner in the way I want things done. I was most surprised that I had to fight her to get her to vacuum my hard floors rather than brush them before she washed them and found that I had to insist that since it was my house and I was paying her it was only right that it was done my way and how I wanted it done. It took a lot out of me.
I hope this person has not spoiled the pleasure in all your new things and that you managed to get her to back off in time. I really feel for you! Do let us know how things are currently.

1st world problems ladies! Just a thought, unless disabled why not clean your house yourself!!

PS one trains dogs, not cleaners .

Advice to the cleaner. Leave.

I agree Ann. I was a cleaner for a few years when the children were little. I gave up cleaning the house which always looked tidy and clean, it was so demoralising cleaning what's already neat and clean! Loved the house with three sons. Order out of chaos. Job satisfaction guaranteed!

Way to go ajanela, at last, someone else who isn't ' to the manor born' !

annehinkley we call it 'comeuppance'

nanna58 if a person works very long hours why clean your own house, why not pay a cleaner/ironer to do it - thus creating a job for someone?

No one in these posts has mentioned working very long hours. It's not the employing of a cleaner I object to , but the attitude of some of them towards the people they are employing, ad if someone who cleans is unable to function without being ' trained'

I am disabled and so is Ruby.
If I was well enough to do my own cleaning you can be absolutely sure that is what I would be doing.
Anyone who is working for someone else needs to know what is required or nobody would get anywhere.
If you are untrained then quite frankly you can literally be of no use whatsoever.
Just because one is not physically able does not mean that one is mentally incapable or should be treated as such. This is what has happened to Ruby and I have great empathy with her as I have suffered in a like manner.
Speaking of manners I was not '"to the manor born" , have never been afraid of hard work and I have never asked anyone to do anything which I have not done myself. That was an incredibly insensitive comment based on little thought or knowledge.

PS I don't often get cross but this was very hurtful.

Then do not use phrases such as "still attempting to train my new cleaner"

That is exactly what I am trying to do so why say anything else. If I want something done and done with particular tools or in a particular way, as the bill payer, I am entitled to have that done. Sadly some need more training than others and some are impossible to train so then you stop employing them.
I think you are being rather sensitive, I just wonder what your issues are. I hope you sleep well.

I shall , thankful that yes, I do seem to be more sensitive than your good self lol

Don't think Ruby deserves the snotty comments on top of being treated like a dim inferior by her cleaner. Anyone want to apologise?
Training only for dogs? Puhlease?! People are trained for jobs, each cleaning job differs so some training could well be needed.

Never heard of on-the-job training, Nanna58?

Did you think ruby's cleaner behaved appropriately?

My cleaner,thank goodness, is brilliant at her job. She worked for a cleaning company before setting up on her own. I have never needed to tell her what to do, I will ask of course but big jobs like the conservatory upvc,I pay her to come in as an extra which she is happy to do. When I have visitors she will swop her day to ensure bedrooms are ready for them. We have a very good understanding of each other.

My cleaner is brilliant, I have employed her for years but only have her for three hours a week now as I work fewer hours.
I never tell her what to do, I realise that she can't do everything whilst she's with me, but when she leaves , although it wasn't a tip, it looks so much better. Keeps me on the straight and narrow till next time.
The OP sounds as tho' she has a personality problem with her cleaner so part company. Simples!

In years gone by we have had two cleaners one was very good we had a big house then when the children were all at home. She came twice a week for about two years. Then she was left some money and retired. The second one was a complete nut case who used to move the food out of the cupboards and put it in other cupboards.

Nanna58, I was not to the manor born but have a cleaner to clean my house. I hate cleaning and can find much better things to do with my time. My lovely cleaner enjoys cleaning and the money she earns helps her stable, feed and maintain her horse!

I fail to see how that can be an issue for anyone.

Mr C is my cleaner now for the heavy stuff. Haven't had the physical strength for floor cleaning for many years. I still recall with pain some very negative comments received in my 40's when we began to use cleaners so I could continue in my profession. There was a lot of judgement so understand your anger synonymous. Going back to ruby's post, it's sometimes difficult if not impossible to get a cleaner to do what you want them to do, rather than what they like to do. I certainly said goodbye to several. Good cleaners are worth their weight in gold. Ruby you don't need that sort of attitude. So say goodbye to her and employ someone who will listen to what you want. You are paying them, not the other way round.

Tin hat on here, and raising my head above the parapet. Re:- the training of cleaners, surely the ones employed by a named company, i.e Molly Maids, are trained for the job before being let loose on their clients? (Other cleaning companies are available).
I must admit to not having read all the posts on this thread, but I did clean for a couple of years when my children were small, independently, but satisfactorily. The lady I worked for would sometimes ask me to do a particular task, other times it was a sort of weekly routine. This led to other clients by recommendation, some lovely, others not so. I used to enjoy it, but now I wish I could find another, younger 'me' to do the job for us. Backing off now.

Whenever I started a new job (not as a cleaner) I expected to be 'trained', sent on training courses etc.

Just because someone knows how to 'clean' does not mean that how they do it or what they do (or don't) is what is required for everyone's house or for an individual's needs.

Nanny58.

Employing a cleaner/gardener whatever works both ways, something perhaps you should think about. I employ a cleaner, well 4 actually- 4 hours cleaning done in 1 hour. They are lovely girls who need jobs and are more than happy to work for me and my DH and we pay them very well. They have been with us now for several years. They will do anything I ask them to do but it's usually the same routine. Cleaners just like most people need jobs.
They would never propose to tell me how anything should be done.

Please get rid of this woman, rubylady, she sounds really worrying. She sounds like a controlling bully. Even if you have to wait a while to get someone else, it is more important to be safe than clean.