Rehousing issue for Grenfell Towers survivors

BTW, dj, was it the Grenfellers United or toodle-pip, chucks that you found unpleasant? Just curious because neither were intended to be at all. Quite the reverse.

Okay, I'll stick to calling you patronising instead.

The statements and experiences of the Grenfell residents will be heard, with some sympathy I expect, by the enquiry, and is entirely right and relevant.That still doesn't mean that the panel who hold the enquiry must be racially diverse in order for the proceedings to be done fairly and properly.
I would think the main thing is that the inquiry is done thoroughly, and some answers found, in other words no stone left unturned.
If this isn't enough for some posters, then I stand by my
PC high horses comment, and frankly, too bad if they don't like it.

So having proved that the class basis you advocated was unfounded and that there are equally qualified people of all ethnicities who can serve on the inquiry panel you still insist it shouldn't be as diverse as possible and an all white panel is acceptable- in my book that's the definition of racism. Get to the back of the bus the rest of you we're still sitting up here!

PC high horse comment is unnecessary and quite frankly rude - why does your post have to be so unpleasant? Believing in diverse representation is not PC - you may not think it matters but you shouldn't be dismissing those of us who do in such a cavalier fashion. And because it matters to us does mean we are on our high horses - that phrase just shows a complete unwillingness to show the slightest respect for anyone's views you don't agree with

I refuse to agree with anyone who is racist, sexist or discriminatory in any way maryeliza54 sorry but it's the way I was brought up and the way I have brought up my children. If you think it's wrong say so.

Sorry I was replying to lemon - apologies that wasn't clear - I just really hate that of high horse comment she's used twice and that's what I was addressing

Sorry I didn't read your comment properly and just flipped through it-me apology accepted and hope mine is too.

maryeliza, no group are more unwilling to respect the views of those who do not agree with you than your group , the group which doesn't exsist according to those who are part of it.

Oh not this "group" again. I was very upset last time because there was a clique and I didn't know who was in it. Now there's a group and no-one's told me

www.24housing.co.uk/news/grenfell-survivors-forced-to-use-foodbanks/

Anyone who donated to Grenfell survivors, would you have expected this to happen?
Absolutely appalling.
Please write to your MPs to complain and get them to sort out this mess.
It cannot wait until the end of the enquiry.

Who is overseeing the money?

Surely it's the charities who are administering this?

The money raised by the Standard (about £5m) is administered by The London Community Foundation. They say that they have made payments of £25,000 per household. They have the payment schedule in the 'news' section on the website - they started by paying £1,000 per household on 20th June.

www.londoncf.org.uk/grants/grenfell-tower-emergency-appeal-.aspx

If that's the case, I cannot see why someone would need to use a food bank. Maybe Emma Dent Coat needs to get in touch with the charities administering this?

I don't know the situation with the other charities, but some of them have a focus on particular groups, such as bereavement.

I think it's the council. They are also responsible for the disabled woman who was forgotten by her carers.

All very sus

"She also claimed some survivors had been advised not to approach her for help as it would affect their chances of getting housing.

“Some have been told not to speak to their MP, or not to speak out at all, or they will not get what they want,” she said.

Councillor Elizabeth Campbell, Leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council, said: “Emma’s team have raised previous issues directly with our Care for Grenfell team here at the council, so we were surprised that she mentioned these new cases in remarks at a conference before referring the issues to us.

“That said, and putting any politics to one side, we will be looking into this urgently and would welcome more details if they are available.”

I can't believe that they didn't know. They should know everything that happens to Grenfell survivors.
As Dent Coad says, the council should be taken out of it, and others brought in to run the Grenfell situation.
Surely all council officials could be implicated in what has happened.

It's being discussed now on parliament thread.
Labour councils in London offered to help, and the help was refused by Kensington and Chelsea.

But what is the truth, it is being used for political scoring, eight have been charged for claiming money they were not entitled to. If they have been given that money why use food banks

John Healey speaking about Grenfell at the moment on BBC parliament channel.

Using such a tragedy for political point scoring, shame on the shadow housing minister , no way would I listen to him using the dead

How do you know that's what he was doing if you didn't listen to him?

Didn't you do political point scoring when you were a socialist?
Do you think it's tight that the Grenfell survivors were told not to speak to their Labour MP, or they would not get rehoused?

Never over tragedies, using that fire why? And I don't know if it's true they were told not to talk to their MP , neither do you.

This tragedy should not be part of the conference and I do not believe more people across the four countries were more interested in the fire than in brexit.

Who would you rather believe, a person who was in the fire and told her new Labour MP about it, or a Tory councillor who was part of the system that allowed Grenfell to happen?

Do you really think that people are not interested in Grenfell? People who live in similar towers, who have family and friends living in similar towers, who have children in schools with similar cladding, or have been in hospitals with similar cladding?

By the way, these people have lost everything. It's okay saying they have been given so much money.
What are your contents valued at?

But Grenfell Tower is about much more than that specific tragedy isn't it. Doesn't it come down to what we think Local Authorities are actually there for.
Should they be outsourcing so many responsibilities? Should they keep a closer oversight into what the companies that they have outsourced to are doing?
Have they lost expertise, so can have the wool pulled over their eyes, or not understand the ramifications of using one product instead of another in building works?
If they are just there to collect Council Tax, what are they doing with the money?
If they have large reserves, what are they reserving this money for?
It's a big subject for discussion.
Then what about should Governments advise building contractors on safety issues? Should they request that proper safety procedures are put in place (sprinklers etc.) Or should they legislate to make sure that they are?
This tragedy has happened and we should try to learn from it, both to try and prevent another tragedy, but also to learn how to respond to it.