To hav3 had enough of Harvey Weinstein on the radio

See what I mean trisher ???

"Could" "please" "refrain" not actually terms of abuse are they? I asked politely. I noticed you omitted to repost the "It has nothing to do with gender" Obviously you really don't like accuracy do you?
If there was one thing those women did for me GGMK2 it was that they enabled me to deal with people-women. men, anyone who used personal criticism when they had nothing else to fall back on.

I have no idea what you are dribbling on about trisher and no intention of being dictated to by someone like you.

I see what you mean Anya You were right-walk away!

I don't see that saying that someone has harassed you necessarily means you're claiming to be a victim. You can still be strong and I'm sure many of those women are.

The woman who said she was raped by HW and then had an affair with him has stated that she embarked on the affair in an effort to wipe out the memory of being raped, to try and legitimise the rape, if you like.

As for calling women 'easy lays', as someone did earlier on in this thread - I cannot believe how judgmental that is.

I think it's a very thin line to cross and particularly at the moment SueDonim I was thinking about the BBC link you gave and about using public transport and moving around in cities. Most figures show the real recipients of violence are actually young men and male on male violence is as widespread if not more widespread than male-female violence. When I have witnessed aggravation and verbal abuse on public transport it has often been groups of male teenagers and one of the responsibilities undertaken as a parent and GP of boys is warning them how to avoid such encounters, in other words how to modify their behaviour so they are safe. This perception that it is only women who are in danger is totally wrong.

This thread is largely focussed on male sexual violence/harrassment towards women. Most of us have acknowledged that some false allegations are made though very few, of course devastating for the innocent man on the receiving end. No one has suggested that only women are at risk, men and boys are more often attacked in the streets - primarily by other men.

I'm not sure what "its a very thin line to cross"means in response to Sue D's post. The reality is that two women are murdered every week, mainly by current or ex male partners. Sexual violence against men, women and children is largely perpetrated by men.
None of those statements mean I'm anti male or painting all women as victims. As has been said, the woman who embarked on some kind of relationship with HW has said she wanted to somehow sanitise the experience of being raped. What seem to be ridiculous responses are all to common as we saw with the young women and girls sexually exploited in various English towns in recent years.
I'm somewhat puzzled be the determination shown by some to minimise or reject women's reported experience. Yes, there will be some false allegations but that was exactly what was said in the early months of the JS investigation, that women were "jumping on the bandwagon". Ask any woman who has been interviewed as part of any sexual abuse investigation, whether they are the complainant or not - many say they'd never do it again and would advise their friends to avoid making reports. Yes, that isn't what we want to happen, we all want to see women empowered but as has been said several times on this thread, its the negative, critical comments made here that contributes to women keeping quiet.

I'm not sure what you mean by a thin line, Trisher?

Of course men are also subjected to violence, but the answer to that is for the perpetrators (mostly other men) to change their behaviour.

Comparing children sexually abused with a woman who has an affair with a man after he allegedly assaulted her , accepted gifts and met his mother ,To wipe out the memory of the assault is not acceptable surely

Those children wanted to feel loved , or were on drugs

If only it were so simple SueDonim having worked in environments where mothers felt it was their duty to make sure their sons were brought up to be tough and fight their corner it isn't a culture you or any other campaigner is going to change in a hurry (or probably at all) The fact is that there are violent people in society and adapting behaviour to deal with that is a necessary part of survival for both sexes
The data shows that whereas women are more likely to suffer domestic abuse men are more likely to suffer from street violence and homicide is almost double for men
www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/feb/07/crime-statistics-england-wales-violent-sexual-offences#data

The thin line is that between what can be classed harassment and what can't. Is it harassment if anyone puts their arm around you? although I dislike physical contact unless it is someone I am close to I wouldn't class it as such, and I have had women I know behave like this as well as men. They soon realise I don't find it acceptable. But harassment it isn't.

Err. I thought you put out a diktat that we may not go off topic trisher! This thread is about sexual harassment and worse not the harassment you have now decided to bring in in order to make sense of what you have been saying.

I have just watched a really interesting interview with Zoe Williams who has written a piece called 'Brexit, Trump, sexual harassment – all are united by the same chauvinism' and I think she may be right. Some of what we are seeing on here is old-fashioned chauvinism.

She is suggesting that the same chauvinism which tells us that Britain is this exceptional nation which is better than all the other nations, the same narrative which tells Trump that Muslims are the enemy and he just has to have a travel ban and everything will be fine, is the same narrative that tells Theresa May that the Europeans are the enemy or immigrants are the enemy or, if you can just keep everybody else out or keep everybody else's perspective out everything will be fine, it's all a variant of chauvinism just as, on here, people have decided that if they can put women back in their chavanistic place - quite simply all will be well.

And I though we had finished fighting those battles - obviously not.

I asked you not to introduce disabilities into this GGMK2 a completely different topic and one I have personal experience of but which has absolutely nothing to do with violence and sexism.
Chauvinism whatever the group it is in favour of has of course its roots in fear and in the maintenance of power. The way to undermine chauvinism is not to succumb to it. Refusing to be a victim is part of that. When women marched through cities to Reclaim the Night they were not saying to men 'it's your fault I have to stay at home' they were saying 'this is my city and I will walk where I choose.' We need more women to do things like this. In fact it is probably time for a new Reclaim the Night demo.

Goodness you are a rule setter trisher.

If you had actually read what I had written you would have known I was referring to your comment "I wonder what abut those of us who have never experienced sexual harassment, are we then supposed to think there is something wrong with us?" and asking if you were behaving rather like a small child did re my daughter's dyslexia when she declared it was not fair. Basically were you just making a similar cry for attention?

You are now saying "Chauvinism whatever the group it is in favour of has of course its roots in fear and in the maintenance of power." That just about sums up where you appear to be coming from trisher which is why I see your comment as chauvinist. Rules for me, rules for other women, I wonder what other rules you think you are entitled to insist on.

Of course it is great if women can do the things you suggest but by making it another rule they must obey - be strong or else - you sound more as if you are interviewing to be an aunt in Gilead than talking about normal life.

There is nothing worse than the abuse of children, all rational people would agree with that.
This sleazy producer using the casting couch for his own gratification simply isn’t in that league, bad as it is.

How to win friends and influence people GGM2 ?

You really can't help it can you GGMK2? Still never mind.
I refuse to discuss disabilities or dyslexia with you for personal reasons.
I will just say that you are attacking another woman and are therefore proving that it isn't only men who are guilty of abuse. Fortunately I am a strong capable person and your sad attempts to personally abuse me have no effect.
Just as well I am isn't it?
It would be nice if you could just discuss why you feel women must be victims and shouldn't be strong women. It isn't a rule it's a philosophy.

Now we have another one with their rules! That is your opinion Lemons - people may agree with you but why do you feel the need to tell them what to think?

Trisher I cannot imagine wanting to be friends with someone holding your opinions. They are antediluval!

or even antediluvian

lemongrove, of course I expect we all agree with your post. We seem to be in a circular argument in which there is no disagreement that the aim must be to empower women, to work with our girl and boy children to help them avoid being sucked into the narrative shown to them on their telephones, where men demand sex and girls/women agree firstly to have sex and then to perform or allow sexual activity that is both painful, dangerous and to them offensive.
One of the points I was trying to make, is that the Rochdale girls (for example) and Judy Garland were of similar ages when they were groomed, given drugs and then expected to give sexual favours. JG 's adult life tells its own story. It's also sadly true that many adults who experienced csa are more likely to experience abuse in its various forms in their adult lives. That is one of the reasons I find some comments towards adult women making allegations currently, to be dismissive and unacceptable to those women.

So you use a 'how to live your life' author as your authority trisher. How about thinking for yourself?

Oh dear, I've cross posted with some more cross posts.

I am not abusing you trisher! If you repeat that I will report it.

By the way trisher, your quote would apply to many women I know in my personal and professional life. One of them now aged 46 is now a very strong woman, I am bowled over by the things she has achieved and is achieving. She'd be the first one to say that given her childhood experiences, she made some poor choices in adult life but that the non judgemental love and support from older/other women has helped her in her life journey. I don't want to go overly sentimental but honestly - she is inspirational and has been on the receiving end of many negative comments during her life