Moaning Leavers, an explanation

Brexiteers no deal scaremongering? I think not!
Those with a vested interest in remaining have been issuing a barrage of scaremongering since before the actual referendum, this is intensifying the nearer the event gets and which, in most instances has been disproved.

There will be bumps along the road, it would be foolish not to accept this, but the eventual outcome will be in the countrys best interest.

It will take 50 years for things to get better according to JRM

The full details of Russia’s gold deal offer to Arron Banks ahead of the EU referendum are revealed in a leaked document which mentions exclusive “opportunities not available to others” and support from a Kremlin bank.

A seven-slide presentation, seen for the first time, shows how Banks – the main donor behind Leave.EU – was offered the chance of making potentially enormous profits in a deal featuring a Russian gold company.

The offer was made through Alexander Yakovenko, Russia’s ambassador in London.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/09/revealed-detail-of-exclusive-russian-deal-offered-to-arron-banks-in-brexit-run-up

Arron Banks may have used Russian money to fund the Leave campaign and may be one of the tiny few who stand to profit from brexit, but if you were one of the ordinary folk who was misled into voting leave, and now realises how much you stand to lose, that would explain the moaning.

Well done Mr Banks

BRITAIN'S richest man who owns the huge petrochemical site at Grangemouth is understood to be leaving the country to live in low-tax Monaco.

Sir Jim Ratcliffe, the 65-year-old boss of Ineos who was knighted this summer, has not revealed the reason for his move, but already owns a mansion on the French Riviera.

The high-profile Brexit supporter who was named as the UK’s wealthiest individual in the 2018 Sunday Times Rich List, with a fortune of £21.1 billion.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/16409901.billionaire-grangemouth-boss-sir-jim-ratcliffe-moves-to-monaco-tax-haven-after-backing-brexit/

Another patriotic brexiter jumps ship.

Oh give it a rest Varian!

Brexit has not yet happened, and there can be no certainty that it ever will.

www.gfmag.com/topics/blogs/uk-could-exit-brexit

The speed referred to in the OP has been totally necessitated by TM's ridiculous faux pas in setting a leave date so early in the proceedings. Silly woman.

Luckygirl
Corbyn wanted article 50 to be invoked immediately after the referendum.(He did change his mind later). That would have been a bit silly even to Leavers.

You are right luckygirl . It was ridiculous to invoke Article 50 when Theresa May had not even got a brexit strategy agreed in her own party.

Ridiculous and unnecessary, as were her stupid "red lines". Two years later there is still no agreement within the Tory Party, let alone within Parliament so how can we possibly hope that the other 27 countries in the EU could ever even start to negotiate with a country which does not even know what it wants?

True, varian

But, discussing this with DH this evening, I asked why the EU did not have a strategy or even just guidelines set up in case one member did decide they wanted to leave?
Was it arrogance in assuming that no-one would ever want to leave this wonderful institution?

They are all floundering.

Was it arrogance in assuming that no one would want to leave this wonderful institution? ???? ??????

Blame the EU for our government’s ineptitude. The EUs position has been in clear from day1. Their rules are the same for all members. If someone doesn’t want to abide by the rules they won’t have the benefits. Simples. Except we were told we could still have the benefits but not have the rules. It was never going to happen.

There are no benefits as far as I and 53% of the british electorate - so give it a rest now Ppleassse .....

crystaltips
Their rules are the same for all members. If someone doesn’t want to abide by the rules they won't have the benefits
I think the UK is the only country in the EU who has consistently played by the rules and this is why many feel badly done by. The majority countries manipulate or ignore the directives as they feel fit.

Brexit myth that “we are the only country that follows the rules”.

The benefits of being in the largest free trade bloc in the world have been peace in Europe, better , fresher and cheaper food and high quality manufactured goods, which is why our government are faffing around trying to hold onto as much of those benefits as possible. I’m sure most of the population enjoyed some of the benefits. Not sure when the benefits (?) of Brexit will be evident though.

I just find it staggering that the government, leaving aside Cameron's debacle of a referendum, did not really have a plan. I know DC thought the outcome would be remain ...but really? If anyone had thought it through more thoroughly and prepared for various options the uncertainty that small businesses and farmers etc etc are facing might have been reduced. Large seathes of the voting public were conned into thinking it would be as easy as cancelling a standing order and we'd be back to the 1950s.

PECS
Large seathes of the voting public were conned into thinking it would be as easy as cancelling a standing order and we'd be back to the 1950s.

Can you define. who were the large swaithe. It cant be those who voted to leave as this swaithe understand that there will be bumps along the road and are looking to the future not backwards.

Sorry for the typo.."large swathes"

I think all those who are now cross it is taking so long! Many on the day after the referendum felt we were "out" and were surprised to discover it actually had to be negotiated!

Do you really think everyone who voted, for or against leaving, knew how complicated it was to extricate UK from Europe ? I don't think so!

Quite so - and exactly why we should have a second referendum.

Here are some brexitregrets from almost a year ago. I wonder how many more there are now.

"We were lied to during the campaign’ Had I known the truth I would have voted Remain. I am very angry that politicians seem able to lie at will to get what they want with no repercussions. It is increasingly clear that Brexit will benefit only a few of the super rich and most of us will be worse off. I am sure that the result would have been very different had we known the reality of the effect of Brexit on the majority of the country"....

"I voted for Brexit, but we were misled. We need to stay in the customs union and single market. MPs are being dishonest by not revealing how catastrophic a “hard Brexit” would be. They seem more concerned by their own futures that that of the country. "

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/11/we-were-lied-to-voters-who-have-changed-their-mind-on-brexit

poppyred Varian is incapable of ‘giving it a rest’
Unfortunately.

So I see ??

Leading disability activists have backed The Independent’s call for a referendum on the final Brexit deal, as the number of people signing the Final Say petition surged past 600,000.

With the prospect of a no-deal Brexit looming, groups representing disabled people have joined a variety of politicians and organisations in supporting the case for a public decision on the final deal.

In an open letter to The Independent, disability campaigners, including former Olympic star Tanni Grey-Thompson and a string of leading academics, warn that the “chaotic, uncertain and discordant” atmosphere surrounding the Brexit negotiations could be “psychologically damaging” for disabled people.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/final-say-brexit-disability-disabled-nodeal-independent-a8486021.html