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Is Jeremy Corbyn holding the Labour back?

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Bridgeit Tue 25-Sept-18 18:51:51

Is it time for Jeremy Corbyn to step aside as Leader of the Labour Party? He does not seem to be engaging with a swathe of the electorate who are not historically Conservative voters, but who do not seem to be inspired to support Labour either, the Labour Party as it is at the moment does not present itself to the electorate as a viable alternative to the Conservatives. Perhaps a change of leader would make a difference .
On top of which there isn’t a credible third party, perhaps suggestions on a post card to Houses of Parliament would give them all a clue ?

Anniebach Thu 27-Sept-18 09:13:30

Good grief a security guard sitting next to him ? I think ‘a bouncer’ but dismissed it, not on the platform . Thank you Diana.

I have never seen such a scruffy Conference

gillybob Thu 27-Sept-18 09:01:20

I laughed at the photo of Diane Abbot sitting between 2 firefighters . They must have expected things to get very hot indeed.

Diana54 Thu 27-Sept-18 08:59:45

Anniebach
He was security, the last line if defense to prevent all the admiring supporters suffocating him with hugs and kisses.

OldMeg Thu 27-Sept-18 08:42:55

So what policies would you like to discuss???

OldMeg Thu 27-Sept-18 08:22:41

So what policies do you want to discuss then lemongrove?

lemongrove Thu 27-Sept-18 08:21:01

Sorry * Grandad* but no, things are not changing.grin

Anniebach Thu 27-Sept-18 08:20:06

I want to know who was that large burly man in a black tee shirt sitting on the platform with Corbyn was .

I was rather surprised to see quite a few aging men with hair over their shoulders , it all looked rather scruffy

lemongrove Thu 27-Sept-18 08:20:05

Some of you are seriously deluded if you think the shenanigans of the conference will ever translate to power for them, ‘prepare for government’......not in a million years!

OldMeg Thu 27-Sept-18 08:18:36

If I was going to stay awake worrying it would be that I’ve never known a PM and her government to make such a cock up of simply everything.

I can’t name one public service that’s not falling apart and don’t get me started on Brexit.

Looking forward to the Tory Fiasco in Birmingham.

Grandad1943 Thu 27-Sept-18 08:08:40

Just to think of it OldMeg, the right wing forum members sitting up until 2am in the morning worrying about the success of Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party Conference.

Things seem to most definitely changing. grin

OldMeg Thu 27-Sept-18 08:02:13

You couldn’t make it up Day 6!!! .....ah but you did ???

What an unmitigated load of balderdash!

OldMeg Thu 27-Sept-18 07:59:16

My thoughts exactly Grandad ...must have the far right rattled.

Grandad1943 Thu 27-Sept-18 07:24:03

My God, the above "rant" most definitely confirms that the Labour Party must have had an excellent party conference. grin

Day6 Thu 27-Sept-18 02:02:12

Or rather the Owen Jones fan club turned up - with apologies to the MP Owen Smith - who, if rumours are to believed, was denied a place at the conference for disagreeing with Jezza.

Oh and members of Labour's hard left NEC were given specially printed, denim-bound copies of The Communist Manifesto, personally signed "With thanks" by Labour's shadow cabinet.

Day6 Thu 27-Sept-18 01:42:03

Thirteen thousand in attendance something indeed to celebrate for the Labour movement

Yes Grandad - and there was a door policy. No one over 30 was allowed to enter, but there were freebies, badges and sweets for the under 20s faithful who are now known as Jezzites.

Moderate members were denied entrance by the burly, strong-arm Security Firm Mo-Ment-Um, and anyone mentioning Frank Field, Tony Blair, or Kate Hoey was ejected.

The Owen Smith fan club - all three of them - turned up with rolled up copies of the Guardian under their arms.

Labour Trotskyites and Militant Tendency supporters of Corbyn were sneaked in through the back door wearing "I am a Moderate Type, honestly" so they were incognito,

The Wild Cat Bar was given over to all those who thought the best Labour policy of the day was a national strike. It was packed.

The group of braying middle class and wealthy supporters (the largest group, because they know what's best for us all) were given seats at the top of the auditorium, commonly known as 'the Gods', but labelled The Ivory Towers for the Labour Party conference.

Thirteen thousand hard left fanatics (because moderates were banned) who follow Corbyn and co is hardly something to celebrate or crow about. You see that as progress Grandad. Most see it as a retrograde move, likely to destroy the Labour Party.

Chewbacca Wed 26-Sept-18 22:47:57

Anniebach, vessels with nothing in them whatsoever make no noise whatsoever and therefore have nothing to offer anyone whatsoever.

Very cryptic! grin

Chewbacca Wed 26-Sept-18 22:46:42

I've just nipped over to the other side (Mumsnet) and they've got a thread going there about whether having a Labour party in government would be a good thing or not. I was surprised at how many people said that they would like to see a Labour/socialist party in power again but not with Corbyn at the helm. Several reasons have been given for this including the anti semitism and misogyny rows. Looks like Corbyn's attempts to attract the younger voter isn't panning out to well if Mumsnet is anything to go by.

gillybob Wed 26-Sept-18 22:21:55

I agree with you notanan I was a born and bred NE labour supporter (an ex member of the LP) but no way could I bring myself to vote for this new communist party in disguise .

Anniebach Wed 26-Sept-18 22:19:51

Grandad1943, try kicking an empty oil drum and a full oil drum, tap a glass of water and an empty glass with a knife,

Anniebach Wed 26-Sept-18 22:17:46

I agree notonan, far right and far left both are disastrous for this country.

notanan2 Wed 26-Sept-18 22:11:55

Centreist floating voter here. NO WAY will I vote for labour at the moment.

Sadly I think that Corbyn has infected labour so much that if he stood down now we would just get one of his Corbynite cronies taking the torch and he and his type would still hold the reins of labour.

Labour, lib dem & green have gone too far left for floaters like me. I dislike hard right AND hard left.

Anniebach Wed 26-Sept-18 22:01:46

Realy? What’s in a drum .

Grandad1943 Wed 26-Sept-18 21:59:09

Anniebach, vessels with nothing in them whatsoever make no noise whatsoever and therefore have nothing to offer anyone whatsoever.

Grandad1943 Wed 26-Sept-18 21:55:33

lemongrove, Blair won three elections, but he and the governments he led were never true socialist in any meaning of the word.

I do not know whether the present policies of the Labour movement will gain them victory at the next general election. However, what is good to see is that Labour are once again placing a real alternative in front of the British electorate for debate.

In the above, they have also built a mass political movement of half a million in the labour party and seven million in the total Labour movement.

At the next General Election we will not have it being stated that there is little difference between the two major parties as we witnessed in the 2010 and 2014 general elections. As that election comes about we will have a choice of real dramatic change, or more of the same.

A great prospect I feel

lemongrove Wed 26-Sept-18 21:24:14

Stating something twice doesn’t make it true Grandad43