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To think that GN would be better moderated by older people?

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trisher Mon 04-Mar-19 13:18:59

I have spent a lifetime in political debate and other discussions. I think one of the requirements of such discussions is a certain robustness and an ability to use language. But GN is apparently moderated by the snowflake generation who see anything posted that is reported by anyone as controversial, and although they can't delete it, because it doesn't contravene the guidelines, they send out warnings. I think older people moderating the site would do so with more flexibility and less response to those who constantly report. I have had many accusations thrown at me about my politics which I haven't and won't report. So let's have some older moderators on this site who won't find controversial posts threatening.

Cherrytree59 Tue 05-Mar-19 19:32:21

Sodapop We can't have a Brexit free thread!
I will nip over to the Whitsuntide thread and ask GNers if they think that this Brexit thingy will be over by Whitsuntide 2019! grin

varian Tue 05-Mar-19 19:43:50

I do hope that you will soon become older and wiser Cherrytree59 and realise that you were conned, fooled and seriously misled in 2016. That was not your fault. Lots of good folk believed the Leaver's lies and thought that they, their families and everyone else in the UK would be better off after brexit.

Now we know that was not true. the leave campaigners promised something that was un-deliverable - that we could continue to enjoy all the wonderful benefits of EU membership while leaving the EU and paying no more contributions.

We would continue to enjoy peace in Ireland with no hard border, we would have friction-less trade with the EU and of course, with the many other countries in the world which have trade agreements with the EU.

At the same time we would be able to negotiate advantageous new trade agreements with lots of other countries.

It sounds great, doesn't it? I'm not surprised that you and lots of other folk wanted to believe it, but it was a con, a fraud. I'm sorry to say that you were fooled into believing you could have your cake and eat it.

If we have to have a vote on the TM deal, because our MPs cannot resolve this situation, I do hope you will look at the facts which have been revealed in the last three years.

Any kind of brexit will leave us worse off than we are now. So please join us in preventing any more damage to our country/.

MissAdventure Tue 05-Mar-19 19:49:04

Be nice for brexit to take a back seat in one or two threads, I think.

varian Tue 05-Mar-19 19:53:05

Yes it would be nice but the threat of brexit is the most important, and potentially disastrous, political development in our lifetimes.

Of course, we all try to get on with our lives from day to day, but those of us who are politically engaged and concerned for the futures of our children and grandchildren must do everything we possibly can to prevent our country from leaving the EU.

MaizieD Tue 05-Mar-19 19:53:29

Interesting illustration of the difficulties of a mods job. One poster mentions a fact and another leaps in saying it's a 'smear'. I'm sure that neither post would be complained about, but if they were, what would e the verdict?

I don't find 'robust' argument offensive but I do think that the mods should act on personal attacks. By which I mean not attacks on a particular 'group' but on individual posters.

Day6 Tue 05-Mar-19 19:58:10

Any kind of brexit will leave us worse off than we are now.

That is your OPINION, not a fact.

Unless of course YOU can see into the future? hmm

varian Tue 05-Mar-19 20:00:42

Brexit will make UK worse off, government forecasts warn

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46366162

Day6 Tue 05-Mar-19 20:02:51

but those of us who are politically engaged and concerned for the futures of our children and grandchildren...

You mean like Gransnetters? All of us?

Would any of us say we didn't give a damn? Can you just accept that we ALL care, and voting LEAVE means we care too?

OK no more from me on this thread regarding Brexit.

I totally agree sodapop and Cherrytree I'd do the thumbs up emoji thing if we had one! grin

varian Tue 05-Mar-19 20:10:30

Just look at the facts. Just look at the work done on behalf of this pro-brexit government, which has shown that ,beyond a shadow of a doubt, any kind of brexit would leave us worse off than we are at present as full participating members of the EU.

This is not just my opinion,. or the opinion of any other Remain supporting GNetter, it is our government's own analysis.

Why on earth should we settle for a "least damaging brexit" instead of revoking Article 50 and remaining in the EU?

MawBroon Tue 05-Mar-19 20:51:39

Yet another thread falls victim to the insidious spread of Brexit.
Is nowhere safe?

grannysyb Tue 05-Mar-19 20:52:13

Why has this thread turned into yet another thread about b.....y Brexit?

Jessity Tue 05-Mar-19 20:57:28

Please go away and post on the bl..dy Br...t threads, this is NOT one of them

Jalima1108 Tue 05-Mar-19 21:02:02

MawBroon and grannysyb

I don't know but no thread is safe from bloody Brexit apparently.

Gonegirl Tue 05-Mar-19 21:06:01

Shall we all say bloody, lots of times? grin

Gonegirl Tue 05-Mar-19 21:06:38

Don't bother with the dots. smile

sodapop Tue 05-Mar-19 21:54:57

I'm going to lie down in a darkened room and stick pins in my eyes smile

MissAdventure Tue 05-Mar-19 21:58:42

Could you stick some in mine while you're there, please?

Chewbacca Tue 05-Mar-19 22:06:36

Is there any hope that after March 29th, Brexit won't be mentioned on any thread, ever again? she asked hopefully, but not optimistically

lemongrove Tue 05-Mar-19 22:13:55

grannysyb asks ‘why has this thread turned into another about b....y brexit.’ The answer, in one word, is varian
grin

varian Tue 05-Mar-19 22:15:46

It would certainly be good if b....dy brexit was stopped and we never mentioned it again.

MawBroon Tue 05-Mar-19 22:21:31

Just stop bringing it into EVERYTHING ???

Jalima1108 Tue 05-Mar-19 22:22:16

Perhaps you would like to start your own thread about Bloody Brexit varian - I'm sure you would get some takers.

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 06-Mar-19 09:18:12

trisher

Cari thanks for your explanation. Could you please tell me why the messages I receive when I am notified that a post will be deleted always mention a number of posters, if the number is not relevant? And could you explain why I was issued with a "warning" when my post did not contravene guidelines although a number of posters had reported it? You see much as I like GN if its policy is only to scrutinise when posts are reported it does lead to a culture of reporting by some, not because the post is necessarily offensive but because they disagree with the views stated. The result is, because those of us who believe in free speech don't report posts, a rather unbalanced and frankly boring set of diatribes from a limited number of posters. It is ruining threads on GN and limiting posts I believe.

When we consider whether a post is deletable or not, the number of reports is absolutely not relevant - one or 50 we will consider the post in the same way. But if there have been a lot of reports we might mention it simply to indicate that many people were unhappy about it. (Equally there might be occasions when there are lots of reports and we think the post is OK to stay) We don't delete posts simply because they disagree with the majority view, only if they contravene one of our few guidelines.

As we've said before, we do try to keep deletions to a minimum. Sometimes there are posts that are not deletable but close to it - if this is a regular thing we will have a word with the poster concerned.

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 06-Mar-19 09:19:01

Cherrytree59

Carigransnet I have a vision of GN and MN crew all sitting together in the same HQ office sharing ginger biscuits.
BTW the MN crew seem a feisty lot
Am I way off the mark??? grin

HOW DID YOU KNOW THIS??????? (tho...lemon drizzle cake today)

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Wed 06-Mar-19 09:20:40

Day6

Asking for a post to be deleted just because you do not agree with the opinions contained therein just shuts down debate

I completely agree GrannyGravy

Differences of opinion should always be acceptable.

I have lots of friends with views different from mine. We don't fall out. We agree to disagree (and 'robust' debate usually follows!) grin

Differences of opinion always and absolutely acceptable. We love a bit of robust debate (generally as well as on the forums) Less so major fall-outs