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FarNorth Fri 19-Jul-19 18:34:44

An important case is underway in Canada.
Should female beauticians be legally obliged to provide intimate waxing services to transwomen with penises (men)?

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/there-are-only-losers-in-the-sad-saga-of-jessica-yaniv/?fbclid=IwAR3IN1H7GEk9zlUFlgv2Rwn6utQgpjYFDKgpHWEaenRsfqybliZWWP5st10

FarNorth Mon 22-Jul-19 10:29:10

TerriBull there are plenty of people on MN who think it's a fuss about nothing, too.

As you say, it's strange Yaniv doesn't want his behaviour kept under the radar but it seems he gets his thrills from being as obvious as possible.

He is 'one person' as Gonegirl said so dismissively, but how many other persons could be behaving equally repulsively without publicity, all enabled by Canada's self-id legislation?

And how soon will we have the same situation in the UK?

lemongrove Mon 22-Jul-19 10:49:04

It’s chilling isn’t it? That a person like him can cause all this upset with his behaviour and ideas, and not only get away with it, but receive attention.It makes you worry about the direction that society is taking around the subject of trans women, and in the end makes life harder for them if the general public read accounts of perverted behaviour and assume they are all the same.
There should be no more Self identifying going on!

DameJudyClench Mon 22-Jul-19 16:08:19

And how soon will we have the same situation in the UK?

According to Penny Mordaunt we'll be finding out soon. I'm extremely worried, as she's shown her support for Self ID in the past. And we all know it would be a disaster for women and girls.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/07/04/penny-mordaunt-results-gender-recognition-act-consultation-published-asap/

notanan2 Mon 22-Jul-19 16:26:36

Apparently there is tumbleweed when it comes to Canadian press reporting what is happening.

Canada has swallowed the thought crime kool aid. We are not far behind.

DameJudyClench Mon 22-Jul-19 16:44:29

Since the ban was lifted a couple of Canadian publications have written about it. About bloody time too!

DameJudyClench Mon 22-Jul-19 17:20:51

Piece about the Yaniv case. People are starting to wake up to this toxic ideology. This is exactly why we cannot allow Self ID.

humanevents.com/2019/07/21/state-enforced-sexual-assault/

notanan2 Mon 22-Jul-19 17:51:02

That looks like an American news source rather than Canadian?

quizqueen Mon 22-Jul-19 18:02:13

I think this is a serious subject to discuss since the Christian cake shop boys were taken to court because they didn't want to make a cake which had a gay slogan on it. So, could a man ( identifying as a woman) take a beautician to court if she refused the waxing service? Personally, I'd wax them and let them see how much it hurt!

DameJudyClench Mon 22-Jul-19 18:03:13

It's showing that it's getting noticed. Nobody could report on it previously due to a ban being imposed by the judge, who incidentally is involved with a trans charity apparently. Talk about a conflict of interests.

A couple more stories

nationalpost.com/news/canada/accusations-fly-at-human-rights-hearing-into-transgender-womans-brazilian-wax-complaint?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=recommended_articles

www.thepostmillennial.com/the-truth-about-jessica-yaniv-is-beginning-to-emerge/

Elegran Mon 22-Jul-19 19:20:27

If this . person . succeeds in his attempt to get the beauticians proved guilty for refusing to strip his orchids of their hairy cover, then I would suggest that the next one he approaches should reply that she will only agree to do so if he signs a release form freeing her of all blame if she inadvertently causes him damage or pain. The reason she gives for this is that her training is in waxing the hair from labia, not from testicles, which require a dfferent technique.

If he signs and she sets to work, it may be that she accidentally tweaks the wax a little too sharply and he discovers that she was right to hesitate. I have not Googled degloving testicles, as someone on the thread did, but I can imagine that is is VERY painful.

That might discourage his litigiousness.

DameJudyClench Mon 22-Jul-19 19:40:03

I'd be more than happy to use extremely hot wax on his love spuds. I'd even do it for free.

DameJudyClench Mon 22-Jul-19 22:04:32

This is an interview from today on Irish radio with Yaniv who hangs up when the DJ confronts him.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTr03b_L30s&feature=youtu.be

FarNorth Mon 22-Jul-19 22:59:16

There's no 'could' about it, quizqueen.
This is happening now in a Canadian Human Rights court.

Thank you for that, DameJudy.

Yaniv says clearly that he believes the beauticians have no right to refuse a service to him because he is in a protected category (trans).

So it seems he believes that a trans person can force others to do anything at all, just because of being trans.

That doesn't apply to any other protected category - for instance, no-one is entitled to say 'You must do what I want because I'm black / gay / whatever.'

I certainly hope the court doesn't cave in to him.

DameJudyClench Mon 22-Jul-19 23:57:06

I've never seen an ideology like it @FarNorth

It's utterly terrifying, and if Self ID gains traction in the UK this is exactly what we're facing. We won't be allowed to assert any boundaries at all.

Canadian women are having a terrible time at the moment because of Trudeau's woke virtue signalling. They can't even feel safe in their 'refuges' now because Morgane Oger who's trans, has had one defunded that refused to allow male bodied people in.

I'll be damned if I'll sit back and let that happen here. It's the hill I'm willing to die on.

FarNorth Tue 23-Jul-19 00:27:21

Self-id is already being accepted in all sorts of situations in the UK.

Here is a short video of Mridul Wadhwa, a transwoman (man) who is manager of a rape crisis centre.

Mridul says he doesn't know if he would have got the job if they knew he was trans.
(So he thinks it was fine to conceal that fact.)

And now it is being claimed, by transactivists, that Mridul being in that job shows how harmless are all men claiming to be transwomen.

Most 'women's' organisations, such as Women's Aid, now state that they include transwomen.

FarNorth Tue 23-Jul-19 00:27:47

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DHT_ryngVhcU&ved=2ahUKEwj-to2S08njAhVPTcAKHVPcCuYQwqsBMAB6BAgEEAU&usg=AOvVaw2vB5DQmYJlYLNYCa59gMiN

DameJudyClench Tue 23-Jul-19 00:39:47

They don't want women to have anything. I'm so sick of this shit angry

GrauntyHelen Tue 23-Jul-19 00:51:43

this person is clearly litigeous and has several bigotted ideas Have to say there are plenty of female beauticeans qualified to do back sack and crack If Iwas involved I would be directing her to one of those as my insurance wouldnt cover me for doing something I wasn't qualified to do -try suing me for that!

DameJudyClench Tue 23-Jul-19 00:55:48

He ignored the ones that were trained. He basically makes a living out of suing people - mostly women.

He didn't want to go to a specialist, just wanted to use his so-called trans status to make a quick buck. He's a vile, misogynistic, racist little toad.

Fennel Tue 23-Jul-19 08:49:53

I emailed my cousin in Canada about this, and she replied "you know more about this than we do!" she and her husband are usually well uptodate iwth the news. So it looks as if it's still being suppressed.
They live near Toronto, Ontario. She says they have a state governor of the same type as Trump and Boris.

DameJudyClench Tue 23-Jul-19 09:16:52

It's being suppressed. They know that if more people know about it, there'll be hell to pay.

If it's such a good idea, and they truly believe TWAW, why do they need to keep it so quiet?

Did they know about Oger and the rape shelter?

TerriBull Tue 23-Jul-19 10:57:26

I can't help feeling, that those on the extreme end of the transwomen spectrum are always spoiling for a fight and wanting to make examples of women who won't acquiesce to their raft of unreasonable demands. The provocation it would appear is part of their raison d'etre, I've no doubt they relish and embrace it. It would be a negative generalisation to say that "all" men have such a sense of entitlement but maybe with some of these individuals, the testosterone that drives men along is as evident as what's dangling between their legs. Never mind that, access they must have to our toilets, washrooms and changing areas, otherwise we might well be deemed fascist nazis to deny their rights.

It's far more than just one vindictive individual, an individual that has a perverted and unhealthy interest in very young girls, which begs the question why is Canada not looking into that rather than seeking the ruination of the unfortunate women who are simply going to have to shut up shop on and wave goodbye to any income derived from what was simply a cottage industry aimed at providing a service to women, not transwomen. The cynicism of the person invoking the "human rights" card is quite honestly shameful. How that expression is debased today, as is "hate crime" and labeling people "nazis". These words and terms are applied all the time to anyone who dares to express an opinion contrary to those who feel their rights are being trounced.

It seems that in seeking to be all things to all people, our main political parties across the spectrum are backing a raft of legislation to enshrine the rights of a vociferous minority against the concerns of the majority of the female population. I think they will find they are out of touch with the mainstream and it may well be a hill that some of them will die on when this nonsense is rolled out in the way it is in Canada, we have some of it already, but still behind them in the sheer level of ridiculousness of the Kafkaesque world they have entered and no doubt we will follow where biological truth can be skewed to fit such a ridiculous agenda.

FarNorth Tue 23-Jul-19 11:13:18

The interviewer in the clip linked by DameJudy, upthread, made a good point.

He said that, as an atheist, he is happy to respect others' belief in God but his respect doesn't mean he has to also start believing in God.

He feels better that TWAW is a similar situation.

FarNorth Tue 23-Jul-19 11:14:22

He feels better that TWAW is a similar situation.

rosecarmel Tue 23-Jul-19 13:53:22

Only posting a comment because this thread was next to the one about corned beef ..