funding Labour manifesto promises

Oh FFS, I've seen it all now. GGMK3 "Only because it is gained at the poverty of others". How is the purchase of my modest family home, paid for by my own taxed income and as a result of my hard work over many years, gained at the poverty of others?????? As someone who has worked since the age of 16 and never claimed benefits, I feel I've done my bit to support those less fortunate than me, including those in poverty. Your comments are typical of those who support Labour's policies of envy. They stifle ambition and hard work, they don't encourage it, and their slogan "For the many, not the few" is an absolute joke. They are definitely NOT supporters of the many ordinary working families and homeowners in this country.

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You’d be surprised at the socialists I’ve come across who have strange ideas about only some people being allowed to claim a benefit even though they may be entitled to do so.

They preach at anyone they perceive to be tories or right wing, demonstrating their caring qualities but under the skin they’re as mean and grudging of others as anyone you’d hate to meet.

She only does it to annoy
Because she knows it teases

I would suggest you look at yourself LG but I don't think you even know you are doing it.

As for GG13, my remark was general. I cannot help it isle she took it personally.

If she

Stop being so disingenuous GGMK3!!

You addressed GG13 personally.

Unless, of course, you had your GGs mixed up
Quite easy to do.

Callistemon either my general remark was in reply to GG13 general remark "... however wealth at any level does seem to be an issue for Labour Party supporters!!!" or she was deliberately insulting me in the first instance. She certainly appears very cross with all those exclamation marks.

If that how she wrote it, as a personal insult, then she seems to believe she may hold a view about the extreme disparity of wealth in this country but I may not. But I am sure that cannot be true, can it?

Oh just leave it for heavens sake, you had a comment deleted and so did I.
The difference is that I accept it....you don’t.
GG13 was quite right.

Back to the thread title anyone?
Just watching the political pundits chat, they seem to think Labour have over reached themselves with their promises and think voters will be put off....few believe in their costings.

Unicorns and promises of rainbows pretty much sums up the Labour Parties Manifesto ??

GG13 Then unicorn and rainbows were real when I grew up! Railways were nationalised- so you didn't find your self unable to get on a train because although it's going where you want to go your ticket is from another company. Electricity, Gas and water were nationalised so no one was lining their pockets. Education was free and supported by grants which enabled the poorest to access it. It was the time when social mobility was at its highest. Council houses provided good accommodation for families at a reasonable cost because it was recognised that poor living conditions were responsible for poor health. And the National health service provided free care. Roll on the same for my GCs!

^ the Labour Parties Manifesto ??^

Have you read it, GG13?

I don't think you can count LG.

trisher you are looking at the past through rose-tinted spectacles. Under nationalisation the railways were starved of investment, trains were unreliable, dirty and ran late. I was a commuter in the south east and I had to get a train half an hour earlier than necessary to get to work on time.

As an electricity customer in a rural area in the busy south east, we had endless power cuts. If you wanted a phone you could wait years. Energy prices were high and again investment was low.

Having said that I do believe that some industries should be in public ownership - and that includes gas, electricity and water, but old style nationalisation led, almost without exception, to poor management and a lack of proper investment.

People may not have been lining their pocket sbut just as much money was wasted running poor, inefficient service.

I can remember contacting British Gas at this time of year at the start of a cold winter. We were about to move into a house that had stood empty for 6 months and we could not light the boiler. I explained that I had 2 small children, the youngest only 6 months old. No matter what I said they said they could not possibly visit to fix the boiler in under a fortnight. Thankfully, DH dickered with it and finally managed to start it.

Seems two of Britain's biggest power companies have shifted the ownership of their businesses offshore to protect against the threat of nationalisation by a Labour government!

Once they’ve gone they won’t come back.

M0nica, your comment about commuting to work in the SE was most amusing - remember those problems this year with the commercially-run trains in the SE? I'm sure those people attempting to commute to work on Southern have had at least as many problems as you had under nationalisation, in fact my daughter found that some companies in London were reluctant to recruit people living in the SE who relied on the trains to get to work!

Why amusing humptydumpty

There are faults now with the rail service, yes, but I think that the point is that re-nationalisation is not the answer as, when i was nationalised, the service was appalling.
And the trains were disgustingly filthy.

It was a wry smile at the irony Callistemon

I have a great deal of faith in Labours Manifesto. The Tory Government have tripled our debt and all the while imposed severe austerity that was put in place to clear that debt. Where has it all gone? Certainly not in public services!

Yes - the manifesto will cost a good deal of money - but there are clear plans and strategies in place to mitigate and pay off what is borrowed.

As a country we CANNOT go on with more of the same. As a people we have never been so despondent and divided. Tory polices just divide more. I am a tax payer and homeowner. I am no where near the £80K bracket - but I would still pay out more per week to safeguard the future of this country and rebuild it. It needs to be rebuilt!

M0nica I have travelled all over the country by train all of my life- I don't drive. The service provided was adequate and in many ways excellent when we had British Rail. Buying a ticket was simple,getting on a train was easy and you could travel anywhere without having to check if your ticket was valid for that train because it might be a different company running it. Some franchises have proved unworkable. Some are profitable and the money from those should be reinvested in services and not pocketed by a few. There may have been problems with BR but they are as nothing compared with the problems now.

MaizieD, if we just printed more money inflation would go through the roof.

Where is Plaid Cmyru in all this, well yesterday just by chance I ended up having coffee with a group who were out canvassing and I was very impressed. Down to earth and sensible.

They haven't been here yet.

MaizieD, if we just printed more money inflation would go through the roof.

Nobody reads what I actually say, do they?

The danger of inflation only arises if most of the money issued is not returned to the government by taxation, and, if there are not enough resources (goods, services etc) available to purchase. I don't think we're likely to run out of either in the foreseeable future as there is so much investment needed in all sorts of areas.

Try reading some Keynes or economics based on his writings.

gimms.org.uk/mmtbasics/