for Expats in the EU who voted remain, to be relly upset and angry at neighbours and 'friends' who have voted to leave?

Last visit, M20, M25, M11, M40, A14, M1- and of course amost country roads. Disgusting. My British OH gets even more upset about it as I do - litter dumping by roadsides and lay-bys too. And those yellow bottles of

Urmston- the first mention was just a quote of what YOU said. Second one followed Labaik's comment.

But you are right to be quiet, because as you say, it is really toxic. In the UK, but on speed x 1000 in expat communities. Fact.

Some people are short of something to do. It’s time to stop moaning . Find something to be happy about .Let the xpats worry about themselves . There is so much to be happy and grateful for and it’s tiresome listening to the same old waffle

Not quite Jura as the bit at least has the sense to keep quiet was your comment!
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And then your second comment contradicted it which was confusing to say the least!

Jura2 I haven’t heard anyone moaning . I have accepted the democratic vote as have all of my friends . It was a landslide. Still you think all those people are wrong , . It amazes me that remainers think everyone else is a thick uneducated moron. Be happy ,life’s too short relax ,enjoy life . Let’s move on .

And those yellow bottles of....
What yellow bottles? Of what ?
You must drive along very different country roads to those around me .

I was going to ask but decided I'd rather not know.

If anything was designed to make others and myself lose patience with smug expats who have chosen to live in a tax haven “paradise” or even somewhere with better weather guess what it would be?
(Apologies to Mamie, Carillion and others. )

Don't ask what's in the yellow bottles Maw

I've never seen any either

I agree MawB (Lucozade?) ?this thread is just another moan from someone who can’t accept that we are leaving the EU.

Lucozade? Ah! That's ok then!

I agree with you Maw.
This whole thread is getting tiresome.

I’m a bit fed up of having someone deride my country, someone who has chosen to live in a country that has never even been in the EU, and looks exclusively to its own interests, and always has done.

First of all although I have lived here for too many years I thought myself as English and European. My family are here but ... well will cry might night Friday. I changed my driving papers a long time ago. Health insurance I pay an extra, about 1.500 euros per year as I am covered because I work here. I do pay taxes in the UK although I wasn’t allowed to vote. moreover when I was ill in GB seeing the doctor was free at the walk in centre but the young girl at the chemist charged me, I am 70. I would like to buy a flat in England but I believe as a person living abroad I am not allowed, (so I wouldn’t recommend the young man selling his place). In addition my building society insisted on closing my account which I held since I was young. All things are changing for me and not for the good

Midnight

Jura2
Year after year you use the royal we/our when referencing the uk. Now, we are one almighty shit hole. Well you know what to do ?

I have, thanks.

Cake and eating it. In another thread, after seeing in yet another that Jura was residing in Switzerland, I questioned what UK politics had to do with her - and was roundly told by some ally that it was to do with her because of her UK pension and that she might want to return (thinks... when in need of substantial medical care perhaps...). Definitely wanting the cake and the eating it of it. You made a choice, you live with it. Seems fair to me.

I have, thanks

Then what are you bleating about it all for?
You dislike the UK because its not as clean and tidy as Switzerland but forget that the population there is less than 9 million -v- almost 67 million here.
You complain bitterly that your UK pension is subject to the vagaries of currency fluctuation and yet chose to move to Switzerland.
You despise those who voted for Brexit and yet live in a country that elected not to join the EU.
You complain that your travel insurance, to enable you to travel to your holiday home, and your holidays elsewhere in the world, are "extortionate" and yet fail to recognise the irony of the fact that you plead poverty from a diminishing UK pension and millions of UK pensioners have zero chance of a holiday anywhere at all.

And yet this thread was started not about you but about the plight of all the other poor ex pats in Switzerland. I'm speechless jura. You have absolutely no idea how privileged and lucky you are in comparison to millions of other pension age people, who are living on the breadline, with none of your worries but dozens of other, more pressing and detrimental problems of their own.

Get a grip.

Jura you seem to have touched a nerve here now with some posters.

Perhaps let the ex pats you know sort themselves out - one way or another - without getting involved?

jura I cannot believe you even introduced Brexit into a RIP thread about one of our national treasures.


I know some people are always 'glass half empty' types but your glass is becoming drained and it cannot be doing you any good. Trying to look on the positives in any situation may help.

'Every cloud has a silver lining' was my DM's motto and helped her through many difficult times.

Ooeysit I have accepted the democratic vote as have all of my friends . It was a landslide
What was? The referendum? You didn't think that would get past us, did you

I did wonder if Ooeysit meant the GE which reinforced the Brexit vote.

No, I don't think brexiteers are thick uneducated morons, they just think differently to me

'Well Labaik Urmstongran; how sensitive of you to not divulge to your neighbours in Malaga that you voted for something that will make their lives more difficult

Oh that’s a bit po-faced isn’t it? Why should I - who lives in the U.K. remember - vote contrary to my wishes for the ex pats (who have made their choices!)?'
...actually I think it's downright cowardly of you to not tell your friends abroad that you voted for something that would cause them problems. Funny isn't it that remainers have been accused of calling leave voters stupid and of bullying them and yet in the past day or so we've been called 'po faced' and 'fools'.

At the time of the referendum it was a BIG THING. A once in a generation choice and the result would be respected.

To be honest I was shocked (delighted, but still) when Leave won. Who’d have thought it? I couldn’t believe it - against all the odds, all the polls. Stunned the next morning. The Establishment could not believe it either.

We were over in Spain having used our postal vote. Whilst joyous inside (we celebrated together that lunchtime) we did not go around ‘crowing’. In fact as the days passed we realised that with all the fury evident in the media and elsewhere (our eldest daughter couldn’t bring herself to ring me for almost a week) we decided it best to keep our voting preference to ourselves.

Some may say say we were cowardly. I think not. I wanted to be joyous and excited about the result but the atmosphere was tainted. It felt wrong somehow to even want to celebrate.

Within that toxic situation when feelings were febrile why on earth would anyone want to inflame the situation? Besides which, with such anti Brexit feelings swirling about it would just seem jingoistic. I made a decision then to lie low - not because I was cowardly but because I was aware and sensitive.

And anyway, even now almost 4y on no one knows how negations on ex pats rights will pan out. Maybe I’m naive but I think this storm will pass and common sense on both sides will ensure health provision will be reciprocal. We will of course just have to wait and see but just as some like to paint a dire picture I honestly think pragmatism on both sides will prevail.

Enough already we are going round in circles on this thread.