for Expats in the EU who voted remain, to be relly upset and angry at neighbours and 'friends' who have voted to leave?

Thank you Mamie for a sensible and informed post that sets the record straight.

For pities sake, it's done, just get on with it or do you intend flogging a dead horse for ever more.

What is done is done. Live with it.

Yes, those of you in France seem to be in a better situation than most Mamie- especially thos who have lived and worked in France and are part of CPAM, etc.

France is currently not requesting UK driving licences to be exchanged before the end of the month. What is the position for retirees who are covered for healthcare by Form S1 and EHIC- who were covered in France and whole of EU?

Chewbacca- where did I ask you for advice? Chestnut said we had to learn to adapt - it is hard to adapt to losing healthcare cover, especially when older and with pre-exisiting conditions- don't you think?

As for asking my MEP for advice- you surely can't be serious, can you ?!?

How do people liv with loss of healthcare, 25Avalon?

Not just France Jura. The Withdrawal Agreement covers all UK migrants in the EU.

As for asking my MEP for advice- you surely can't be serious, can you ?!

Well it makes as much sense as coming here and asking if you're being unreasonable to be angry with your friends and neighbours who've landed you in this situation, don't you think? I'd go back to plan A and tell them how you feel, at least you'll know where you stand.

But it won't protect health cover for retirees via Form S1 and won't cover EHIC, will it?

Those who have worked in France and are part of CPAM system etc, will be OK - but not those on S1.

Chewbacca - there will no longer be any MEPs in a few days' time!

And you are not reading posts, are you? This is not about me/us. We live in an area where there are very very few Brits- and we are not in EU either and won't be affected in the same way at all. I am part of groups of expats in the EU, and they feel almost unable to meet or talk to those near them who have landed them in this uncertainty- especially those who have not got their permanent residence permits yet.

The relevant extract is here.
"The Bill will ensure that citizens who have moved between the UK and the EU, or those who have interacted with the social security system of the UK and a Member State, before the end of the implementation period are not disadvantaged in their access to pensions, benefits and other forms of social security including healthcare cover. This includes protection for UK nationals who have interacted with social security systems in other Member States
Under the Withdrawal Agreement we will continue to follow the social security coordination regulations. Aligning with these rules is essential to the smooth functioning of the system and will ensure that individuals covered by the Withdrawal Agreement do not lose out. The Bill will allow us to make sure that our domestic legislation works alongside these EU rules."

So as I said upthread, the S1 health cover, pension uprating and rights to residence are protected for the rest of our lives, by law.

So you have options then jura; read Mamie's posts and feel reassured or continue to fret about something you have no control over and which doesn't actually affect you personally. Or, go and harangue those who have put your expat group in this position.

I am more concerned that our Dutch pensions which we currently pay tax on in the U.K. will in future be taxed in the Netherlands.

Mamie
Thank you for the truth, as opposed to more project fear.

The British in Europe site on the Withdrawal Agreement here.
britishineurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/BiE-WA-Explanation-Part-1.pdf

MerylStreep I think there is still plenty to fear on the economic front.
I just hope that those who voted leave will have the decency to own the consequences.

British expats. living in the EU will have continued access to MEPs in the same way as their indigenous neighbours. The MEPs, not being British, may not be terribly sympathetic, but that's life. They lost representation by UK MEPs when they emigrated.

Not quite true grumppa. We lose the right to vote in Euro elections and local elections on Friday, so they will no longer be our representatives.

Mamie
What a straight forward, easy to read article. I usually refer to the Gov.Uk site but this one was just as good, infact, I thought the para regarding marriage etc made it all sound very easy. I would still want to apply for settled status for my other half to ensure ease of access, he does have leave to remain for an indefinite period but still going to apply for settled as soon as the dust settles.

The British in Europe group have been brilliant CoolioC. We owe them a lot.

Why is Norway, which is not in the EU, telling expats to change their driving licences?

Yes, thanks Mamie, very useful- and it is of course just days old, and perhaps not been shared and seen with most expats.

Anno- why not- so is Switzerland- it has been the case for a very long time. Pre EU, I had to retake my driving licence in full. The rules were, if staying temporarily, you had a year to do so, and if permanent, just 6 months. No exchange was possible - had to re-take in full, in English.

Most EU countries are asking for the swap to me made before the end of the month. There is no indication if those who don't, or arrive afterwards, will have to retake test- as is the case for many 3rd countries.

I haven't read the thread right through yet but I am confused. As an expat living in Germany I didn't get a vote (there were at least a million of us).

if anybody has thoughts to spare for post-Brexit Britain, that’s another matter.
With all due respect, Jura I really don’t think this dead horse deserves further flogging

Just wanted to say that was me but I hope M0nica is of the same mind.

Have you been there for over 15 years? A huge number was able to vote as they had not reached the 15 year bar.

As for discussing things which do not directly apply to posters personally or directly- it would become very limiting, no.

Thank you for your clear and comprehensive post of 18.27 Mamie
Especially this bit

The relevant extract is here.
" The Bill will ensure that citizens who have moved between the UK and the EU, or those who have interacted with the social security system of the UK and a Member State, before the end of the implementation period are not disadvantaged in their access to pensions, benefits and other forms of social security including healthcare cover. This includes protection for UK nationals who have interacted with social security systems in other Member States

More mountains than molehills in Switzerland?