Sutcliffe

Yup - the eye catching title - never, he was a bestial killer. Press has a lot to answer for.

Although the taxpayer may be funding the funeral, it is unlikely to be costing £3000+. I suspect he will be cremated and disposed of with no stone for the weirdos to visit. That's what was done with Brady. I do remember all the reports of his killings, and the fear, and protests, and also that there was more fuss about the 'innocent' victims a bank clerk, and a student I think than there was about the women who were sex workers. Summed up perfectly by that ghastly article by Littlejohn.

Perhaps he would have preferred to die rather than be locked up for 40 years

oldwoman I agree that a life sentence is ridiculous if it’s only half a life
I certainly didn’t mean to sound as if I was defending Sutcliffe he deserved all he had but I still don’t think it justifies murdering him I know many people believe in the eye for the eye stuff but I don’t think that it’s ever justified

My nephew is a funeral director. Everyone is declining to take the funeral on in West Yorkshire. He was approached. In Manchester it was the same with Myra Hindley.

I don't believe in the death penalty but I do believe those who have been convicted of murder should never be considered for parole. Although sentenced for a full life term many only serve around 15 years, sometimes a lot less.

It may have cost the taxpayer a lot of money to keep Sutcliffe in prison - but it did mean he was not able to kill again, worth it in my opinion.

There was also some question of Sutcliffe mimicking his wife's symptoms as she suffered from schizophrenia.

EllanVannin
I believe you've been very active in the Jeramy Bamber case.
Like you, I believe Jeramy is innocent. But if capital punishment were still on the statute books Jeramy would have been hanged.

Sparkling and BlueBelle, I agree with your posts. There seems to have been the not unusual disagreement between psychiatrists at the time of Sutcliffe's trial about whether we he was psychotic or faking it. My thoughts were similar to Sparkling, people mid psychotic or schizophrenic episodes are ill, their family members, work colleagues spot this. That was not the case with Sutcliffe during his murdering years. One workmate made two reports to the police after being with Sutcliffe on one occasion when an attack took place. The man didn't see the attack but was told about it when Sutcliffe returned to the car.
Sutcliffe is one of those individuals who combined psychotic episodes with personality disorder. People with personality disorder are more likely to suffer other m.h. problems.

BlueBelle. We must never bring back the death penalty ,
I agree with your post.

Peter SutCliffe was in Broadmoor for approx 25 years ,

I completely agree anniebach ‘killing someone for killing someone’ is never right, can no one see the screaming parallels State killing is killing if you use the argument that it’s a necessary and warranted killing then Ruth Ellis was only doing the same

The age old question is was Peter sutcliff born evil made evil or some of both, until more research is done into mental health and personality disorders this sort of thing will continue
He wanted to die and has for a long time perhaps still being alive would have been more punishment
I don’t agree with NZ s approach of never saying his name again how else can we remember his victims or justify their deaths or learn anything

EllanVannin

It'll please you all to know that you're all paying for its funeral-----out of your tax !

We’ve been paying for his stay in prison for nearly 40 years, so the cost of his funeral will be chicken feed,

I imagine it will be a simple, basic one.

Ruth Ellis was not a serial killer, she was a vulnerable woman if you read about the case it's tragic. She should have not been hung, she needed help. Sutcliffe committed murder 'most foul' Ellis driven to a a crime of passion when she was suffering.

With respect. If someone can hold down a job, still has capacity to reason and be crafty enough to fool psychiatrists, they are responsible for what they do. His wife didn't appear to have a problem with what he did, just described as a cold uncommunicative woman, but she remarried,yet still lives alone in the house she had shared with Sutcliffe. That's weird.
My sympathy is with these victims families. We don't have the death penalty so many serious offenders are given parole and commit the same crime so another grieving family pays the cost. Thankfully not him.Whatever happened to him is nothing, he grew old and fat in prison, his victims most of them barely out of their teens. At least we are not funding him any more.

Peter Sutcliffe was moved to Broadmoor about three years into his sentence. That wouldn’t have happened if he wasn’t diagnosed with significant m.h problems. The diagnosis was schizophrenia and he was successfully treated. That doesn’t mean cured, it means his symptoms responded to treatment. He returned to prison.

Many people live reasonably well with a diagnosis of schizophrenia, providing the remain compliant with meds’ and other treatments. Few become murderers.

If the police had computers and cctv he’d probably been caught earlier. They were drowning in paper, poorly led in West Yorkshire and not working in partnership with Manchester. I was living on a road leading to the red light area Moss side/Whaley range. We had police cars either end of the road, taking number plates. They were also talking with sex workers to make sure they felt safe if they suspected a punter

I’m with Anniebach and others on rejecting any talk of death penalty. Of course the tax payer will fund his funeral. I doubt it’s goung to be a public affair

We still know so little about what drives people to behave in different ways . So many shades of abuse , but that’s no consolation for the victims

No apology need Alegrias2 I am not offended,

Atqui 4 psychiatrists declared him a paranoid schizophrenic,
the prosecuting team were willing to accept this, the judge
overruled them. He was later sent to Broadmoor , schizophrenia.

He had to spend his life in prison so the sentence was the only
one which could have been passed.

Were the crimes evil ? Yes. is a schizophrenic evil ?

I agree Galaxy the focus is women killed by violent men not politics.

I think it's probably a bit of both. If you send a message that it's ok to buy consent then we shouldn't be so surprised if some men view those women as worthless.

I agree Annie ,the man must have been seriously deranged to commit such heinous crimes , and how anyone could have considered him sane ......Are all misogynists mentally ill, or are some the product of our culture ?

Atqui

I was referring to the post which criticised Annie for being insensitive for including details of his first attack*Alegrias*.

Yes, I completely misunderstood Atqui, apologies to you too.

I was referring to the post which criticised Annie for being insensitive for including details of his first attack*Alegrias*.

It'll please you all to know that you're all paying for its funeral-----out of your tax !

I'm sorry Anniebach, I misunderstood. I hope I haven't caused any distress.

Plenty more in his place though Alegrias---and yes, Ruth Ellis was guilty, she shot the man didn't she ?