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Sallywally1 Fri 13-Nov-20 21:14:38

So glad that monster has gone.

Thoughts with the women who died at his hands and their families Richard McCann, in particular, has been outstanding with his forgiveness to the person who murdered his mother.

I remember that time in the 70s when fear stalked the streets, not just in Leeds, but everywhere. Of course now is worse, but perhaps that was the beginning?

Galaxy Fri 13-Nov-20 21:24:43

And the way in which the women who were his victims were talked about. I am shedding no tears.

EllanVannin Fri 13-Nov-20 21:27:15

And an apology----how many years later ?----by police who investigated the case.

EllanVannin Fri 13-Nov-20 21:29:35

My other gripe is that the controlling monster still got his own way by refusing to be treated for Covid.

Hetty58 Fri 13-Nov-20 22:05:50

Glad he's gone!

suziewoozie Fri 13-Nov-20 22:35:08

30 years later when 5 women were murdered in Ipswich by another serial,killer, this is what Daily Mail columnist wrote on that esteemed paper ( part of a longer article full of misogynistic elitist filth)

‘That doesn't make it justifiable homicide, but in the scheme of things the deaths of these five women is no great loss.

They weren't going to discover a cure for cancer or embark on missionary work in Darfur. The only kind of missionary position they undertook was in the back seat of a car.‘

He’d write the same today

suziewoozie Fri 13-Nov-20 22:36:16

Richard Littlejohn - still going strong and a darling of the right

phoenix Fri 13-Nov-20 22:42:32

Sallywally1 thank you for referring to him as Sutcliffe, to use the name that many in the press ascribe to him is giving him a sort of "status" (sorry, not the right word, but hopefully my meaning will be understood) that is utterly wrong.

Charleygirl5 Fri 13-Nov-20 22:43:21

Peter Sutcliffe is no loss.

Mapleleaf Fri 13-Nov-20 22:58:20

No loss at all, I agree “Charleygirl5*.

Blossoming Fri 13-Nov-20 23:26:04

I’m not shedding any tears.

Mapleleaf Fri 13-Nov-20 23:28:59

As for Littlejohn, well...
I read his remarks in the mail article and I’m horrified. The lives those women led might not be the lives we would choose, but who are we to judge? We don’t know what led them down the path to prostitution. We can sit in our comfortable homes and pass judgement, but really, should we? There but for the grace of God go I. And, if there wasn’t a market for paid sex, there would be no prostitutes (of any sex) would there, and no exploitation, would there?
I know, I’ll be castigated for looking at it simplistically, but these columnists who write what they write to make a name for themselves, do they ever consider they might have siblings, children, friends, etc, who could quite easily be led onto a path far from what they would wish for them to be on due to circumstances they could never have envisaged?
It’s so easy to make cruel remarks, much greater not to.

Mapleleaf Fri 13-Nov-20 23:32:09

much harder, not greater, sorry.

welbeck Fri 13-Nov-20 23:36:12

reminds me of the Hank Williams song, about the bad girl who lived down the street.

maddyone Sat 14-Nov-20 00:28:30

He’s not a loss to the world, but he took the lives of women and girls who were a loss. They were a great loss to their families and friends, whoever and whatever they were.

Calendargirl Sat 14-Nov-20 07:21:05

Remember hearing the news on the radio that he had been caught. Think I was preparing tea. It was such a relief.

absent Sat 14-Nov-20 07:37:07

Any person who is murdered is a loss because no one has the right to take her/his life away. Who are we to judge the value of a person, whatever that person does just to keep alive?

NanKate Sat 14-Nov-20 07:49:17

What happened to the man who so cruelly sent in a fake tape? He is partly responsibly for more sad deaths. The police did not listen to the women who had survived his attacks when they said the accent on the tape was wrong. So many people to blame in this very sad affair.

I could never understand why he had a female following whilst he was in prison.

Oldwoman70 Sat 14-Nov-20 08:06:33

I'm not usually a vindictive person but it is my hope this "man" died in pain and suffering.

The man who faked the tapes was caught and was sent to prison for several years - I seem to recall he died a few years ago.

Froglady Sat 14-Nov-20 08:16:51

I used to be in the West Yorkshire Police and think I had left just before the first attack, which wasn't a fatal one. Wonder how many others he had murdered or attacked and not murdered? I don't think the majority of murderers of strangers start off by murdering their victims, that gets built up so in the beginning there were several attacks on women that weren't fatal and then he went on to murdering women. Wonder where he would have stopped if he hadn't been picked up for having wrong number plates on the vehicle he was driving?
Hope his victims and their families have some sort of closure now that he is dead?

suziewoozie Sat 14-Nov-20 08:27:46

I wish I were more hopeful that the failings in this case had been truly addressed. They are many . I posted the RL quote to show that 30 years post Sutcliffe the press were still making moral judgements about women who are the victims of male violence. Serial killers thankfully are rare but male violence towards women is commonplace and the accompanying narrative so often shrouded in judgements about the ‘worth’ of the woman or her culpability in her fate. The reporting on the murders of women by men has been well researched and makes for depressing reading so often stressing the behaviour of the women as a motivating understandable factor.

As for the well made points by Nan re police ignoring women and their concerns/complaints , this was a factor in Warboys becoming probably the biggest serial sexual assaulter in history and features in case after case after case of women killed by their partners/former partners.

Revelling in Sutcliffe’s death does nothing to address these issues and we have had many a thread on GN sadly where victim blaming has been a feature.

25Avalon Sat 14-Nov-20 08:31:03

I read of some silly woman having recent correspondence with him and claiming to be in love with him. Maybe she will mourn him but nobody else will.

Susan56 Sat 14-Nov-20 08:45:50

I hadn’t seen that quote before suzie.Absolutely vile and what hope when he is still employed and still spewing vitriol and people following and agreeing with him.
The reporting of the death of Peter Sutcliffe was an insult to all the victims and their families.The mail online had numerous articles.As my husband said why do we need to know.

Blinko Sat 14-Nov-20 09:01:55

I was impressed by Wilma McCann's son. So articulate and so human in his forgiveness. A credit to his poor mother. Let's face it, no one becomes a sex worker by choice. Most often, it's to provide for their children.

I read that Sutcliffe was a paranoid schizophrenic. If we want to prevent such murders in future, we should also surely be looking at how we deal with people with serious mental disorders in society.

Galaxy Sat 14-Nov-20 09:10:15

Indeed suzie you only need to look at the recent reporting of the oscar Pistorius case or there was another less well known one recently where the woman was killed after having an affair, and it was a similar 'asking for it' tone.