Sutcliffe

EllanVannin

My other gripe is that the controlling monster still got his own way by refusing to be treated for Covid.

Why worry about that? It frees up those resources for somebody who deserves it.

And on another thread this morning, one poster calling another one a ‘b***h’. And so it continues.

Galaxy

And we collude in it in some way I think by using the Oscar Pistorius name (as I did) rather than Reeva Steencamp.

I don’t agree about not using people’s names - it’s how we allow their victims to be treated and talked about that matters. It’s window dressing to not use their names whilst so many of us are complicit in the demonisation and victim blaming of women.

BlueSky

Suzie truly horrified at that quote! I can’t believe anybody could write that, let alone get away with it. Disgusting!

You should read the whole article. There are many reasons for despising the DM but RL may well be top of the list. He’s do the same today

And we collude in it in some way I think by using the Oscar Pistorius name (as I did) rather than Reeva Steencamp.

I too am glad he has gone, I hope he suffered but he chose not to have medical treatment so he chose his way to die unlike his poor victims. The cost to the taxpayer of keeping this evil monster alive for so long is enormous, he didn’t deserve to be kept alive, and we all paid towards it. A good case for the death penalty but that is for another thread!

Suzie truly horrified at that quote! I can’t believe anybody could write that, let alone get away with it. Disgusting!

On one of the news programs last night - I forget which one - they slowly read out each woman's name and showed her picture. No mention of how she earned a living. I liked that.

Here’s the BBC apology for ignoring the murdered woman.

www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/statements/oscar-pistorius

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/13/peter-sutcliffe-crimes-women-police-investigation-murders-misogny?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This is worth a read if you want an expansion on the points I was making.

And yes Galaxy the BBC had to be shamed into even mentioning Reeva Steenkamp’s name in their pre broadcast publicity of the programme about him.

The basic point I’m making is that what the media and press and public ( who lapped up RL’s comments) did and said re PS has not gone away. Asking ‘why was she out so late’/ ‘why was she drunk’/ ‘why did she have an affair with someone else’/ ‘why didn’t she just leave him’ is as frequent today as ever.

After the Christchurch terrorist committed that horrid atrocity, their premier Jacinda Adern refused to ever speak his name thereby denying him notoriety. I would like to do the same with all evil murderers.

The " my name's Jack " tape came from a man living in our town, he was of low intelligence and died some years ago.
Every male in the town was visited by police so they could listen to their voice and a sample of handwriting had to be given to cross reference with the letters he sent to the police.
Sutcliffe was pure evil, I don't imagine he repented on his death bed.

Indeed suzie you only need to look at the recent reporting of the oscar Pistorius case or there was another less well known one recently where the woman was killed after having an affair, and it was a similar 'asking for it' tone.

I was impressed by Wilma McCann's son. So articulate and so human in his forgiveness. A credit to his poor mother. Let's face it, no one becomes a sex worker by choice. Most often, it's to provide for their children.

I read that Sutcliffe was a paranoid schizophrenic. If we want to prevent such murders in future, we should also surely be looking at how we deal with people with serious mental disorders in society.

I hadn’t seen that quote before suzie.Absolutely vile and what hope when he is still employed and still spewing vitriol and people following and agreeing with him.
The reporting of the death of Peter Sutcliffe was an insult to all the victims and their families.The mail online had numerous articles.As my husband said why do we need to know.

I read of some silly woman having recent correspondence with him and claiming to be in love with him. Maybe she will mourn him but nobody else will.

I wish I were more hopeful that the failings in this case had been truly addressed. They are many . I posted the RL quote to show that 30 years post Sutcliffe the press were still making moral judgements about women who are the victims of male violence. Serial killers thankfully are rare but male violence towards women is commonplace and the accompanying narrative so often shrouded in judgements about the ‘worth’ of the woman or her culpability in her fate. The reporting on the murders of women by men has been well researched and makes for depressing reading so often stressing the behaviour of the women as a motivating understandable factor.

As for the well made points by Nan re police ignoring women and their concerns/complaints , this was a factor in Warboys becoming probably the biggest serial sexual assaulter in history and features in case after case after case of women killed by their partners/former partners.

Revelling in Sutcliffe’s death does nothing to address these issues and we have had many a thread on GN sadly where victim blaming has been a feature.

I used to be in the West Yorkshire Police and think I had left just before the first attack, which wasn't a fatal one. Wonder how many others he had murdered or attacked and not murdered? I don't think the majority of murderers of strangers start off by murdering their victims, that gets built up so in the beginning there were several attacks on women that weren't fatal and then he went on to murdering women. Wonder where he would have stopped if he hadn't been picked up for having wrong number plates on the vehicle he was driving?
Hope his victims and their families have some sort of closure now that he is dead?

I'm not usually a vindictive person but it is my hope this "man" died in pain and suffering.

The man who faked the tapes was caught and was sent to prison for several years - I seem to recall he died a few years ago.

What happened to the man who so cruelly sent in a fake tape? He is partly responsibly for more sad deaths. The police did not listen to the women who had survived his attacks when they said the accent on the tape was wrong. So many people to blame in this very sad affair.

I could never understand why he had a female following whilst he was in prison.

Any person who is murdered is a loss because no one has the right to take her/his life away. Who are we to judge the value of a person, whatever that person does just to keep alive?

Remember hearing the news on the radio that he had been caught. Think I was preparing tea. It was such a relief.

He’s not a loss to the world, but he took the lives of women and girls who were a loss. They were a great loss to their families and friends, whoever and whatever they were.

indeed.
reminds me of the Hank Williams song, about the bad girl who lived down the street.

much harder, not greater, sorry.