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ExD Fri 02-Jul-21 09:58:04

I'm beginning to feel how I imagine German people felt when Hitler came to power, I'm afraid to speak of my feelings.
Emmerdale and Corrie both force fed us 'gay' propaganda this last week in a blatant attempt to make same sex love the new norm.
Whatever you say - it's not the way the majority of the population behave (though many do) and although I'm content for people to follow their natural inclinations in this department - why do TV programmers force feed it to us?
I mean, how many gays can one village (or street) contain as a percentage?
I know I'll be shot down for being homophobic, but I don't feel I dare criticise this policy - which makes me uneasy. I feel the Thought Police are here, and soon our neighbours and family will be encouraged to inform on those who speak out.
This is not an invitation for you to sling mud at me and call me a horrible person, although you can if you wish, I'd seriously like to know how many other people felt uncomfortable with the storylines, and the self congratulatory trend of the writers.

muffinthemoo Fri 02-Jul-21 22:32:37

summerlove no no don’t apologise! I was merely adding to your observation that “not wanting it normalised” is not going to make any difference. Criminalisation and discrimination against LGBT folk has been a feature of society in the UK until very recently… and yet people went right on being gay, almost like other people’s opinions aren’t capable of changing your sexuality…

Summerlove Fri 02-Jul-21 22:22:50

muffinthemoo

Summerlove

PaperMonster

We rarely watch TV so not seen Corrie for years. But I found the comment about parents having to explain about sexuality to children by a pp quite odd. I have a 10 year old. I don’t have to explain it to her. To her it’s normal for people to kiss other people whatever their sex. It’s a non-issue when it’s normalised!

I think the problem is that people don’t want it normalised

Pretending that no gay people exist doesn’t make any of us stop existing.

I’m so sorry.
I hope you didn’t take my comment to agree with not normalising!

Maggiemaybe Fri 02-Jul-21 22:08:50

Alegrias1

They are closing the roof at Wimbledon so to fill the time I worked something out.

Kinsey said about 10% of the population was gay. There are 80 characters currently listed on the Corrie cast list and 9 of them seem to be gay.

Pretty realistic, I'd say grin

Put like that, Alegrias, it seems fair enough. I hadn’t realised the cast list was so long!

muffinthemoo Fri 02-Jul-21 21:26:49

Summerlove

PaperMonster

We rarely watch TV so not seen Corrie for years. But I found the comment about parents having to explain about sexuality to children by a pp quite odd. I have a 10 year old. I don’t have to explain it to her. To her it’s normal for people to kiss other people whatever their sex. It’s a non-issue when it’s normalised!

I think the problem is that people don’t want it normalised

Pretending that no gay people exist doesn’t make any of us stop existing.

PinkCakes Fri 02-Jul-21 21:00:56

Riverwalk Oh, I'm sorry - I didn't realise your opinion was more worthwhile than mine

Alegrias1 Fri 02-Jul-21 20:57:12

They are closing the roof at Wimbledon so to fill the time I worked something out.

Kinsey said about 10% of the population was gay. There are 80 characters currently listed on the Corrie cast list and 9 of them seem to be gay.

Pretty realistic, I'd say grin

Summerlove Fri 02-Jul-21 20:44:09

PaperMonster

We rarely watch TV so not seen Corrie for years. But I found the comment about parents having to explain about sexuality to children by a pp quite odd. I have a 10 year old. I don’t have to explain it to her. To her it’s normal for people to kiss other people whatever their sex. It’s a non-issue when it’s normalised!

I think the problem is that people don’t want it normalised

M0nica Fri 02-Jul-21 20:38:41

harrigran, I do not know anyone who has had COVID, but I do not think that that means the figures for those who have had it is overstated.

As I have said before gay people are dispropotionately represented in the creative industries and in cities like London and just as you can talk about not knowing any gay people, with the inference that they are few and far between, so those in the media bubble can over estimate the number there are in the whole population.

25Avalon Fri 02-Jul-21 20:25:20

Lucca

Alegrias1

25Avalon grin

How about a Pride march for pedants? I'm picky and I'm proud. wink

??

Alegrias1 Fri 02-Jul-21 20:20:48

ExD

Lol Alegrais1 it was foolish of me to compare my thoughts with other regimes, but it didn't stop me hesitating about posting them.
Still, its kept us amused for a while.

grin

PaperMonster Fri 02-Jul-21 20:12:06

We rarely watch TV so not seen Corrie for years. But I found the comment about parents having to explain about sexuality to children by a pp quite odd. I have a 10 year old. I don’t have to explain it to her. To her it’s normal for people to kiss other people whatever their sex. It’s a non-issue when it’s normalised!

Flossiebo Fri 02-Jul-21 20:10:29

Really @harrigran-????

I don't know any people of colour. Perhaps they don't exist.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Doodledog Fri 02-Jul-21 20:10:00

harrigran, You probably do, you know.

It is perfectly possible (in fact quite likely) that you know at least one person who is gay, but private about it. Many gay people, particularly from older generations, were brought up to think it was shameful, and are very reluctant to let others know, particularly those who come across as disapproving.

harrigran Fri 02-Jul-21 19:48:57

The number of gays in soap operas are out of proportion I believe.
I don't have any gay relatives or friends in fact I do not know anyone who is gay probably because they all live in Coronation Street.

PinkCakes Fri 02-Jul-21 19:23:57

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Luckylegs Fri 02-Jul-21 19:22:12

I totally agree that there are far too many gays in Corrie. My brother in law is gay, been with his man for 40 years at least. They have both worked in TV and a large proportion of the lovely people who are working on TV/Corrie are gay too. It’s just ridiculous how many people on such a small street are supposed to be gay, it’s actually laughable.

I know I’m going to come across as a prude and I’m not. I know the point people are making about it being a soap and not real life but that’s what Corrie started off like, everyday life. Particularly with the 7.30 episode, I feel sorry for young children and their parents who will have to explain all the various permutations of sexuality portrayed. There’s no need for it! I feel quite prudish about two men kissing so vigorously on camera. We don’t need to have it shoved in our faces quite so much, subtlety could be used. This could also go for any sexual shenanigans of any kind!

nadateturbe Fri 02-Jul-21 19:00:11

Oh do come on how many gays are there in Corrie ? the vicar and his lover plus his ex lover and the footballer not a huge proportion at all …… have I missed any out ?

As I said
Paul, Sean, Billy, Todd, James, James's boyfriend . Too many for one street.

Nanna58 Fri 02-Jul-21 18:57:02

Not sure what’s going on with the typos - the dead one a cat had got was being ‘ romanced’ !!

Nanna58 Fri 02-Jul-21 18:55:16

Going slightly off piste Rd the pigeons, always at in on our she roof, and the other day one was ‘ romancing ‘ a dead one the. At had got before we removed it- have they no shame!!!! As for the soaps , couldn’t give a monkeys how many gays are in them, given up watching due to abysmal plots.

Lucca Fri 02-Jul-21 18:52:38

Alegrias1

25Avalon grin

How about a Pride march for pedants? I'm picky and I'm proud. wink

Lucca Fri 02-Jul-21 18:47:19

BlueBelle

Oh do come on how many gays are there in Corrie ? the vicar and his lover plus his ex lover and the footballer not a huge proportion at all …… have I missed any out ? compared to how many go to hospital every week and how many go to prison and how many find jobs as soon as they lose one How the heck does this equate to Hitler blimey a jump and 6 there

Sean! Sophie ! Paul !

maddyone Fri 02-Jul-21 18:46:12

grannyrebel7

Yes agree too many in one soap. However I love it when Sean spins round on his heel, head held and does a huge flounce! Always makes me laugh.

I love that too grannyrebel. Coronation Street has always had an element of humour and Sean provides that at the moment. We’ve had Bet Lynch, Norris, Rita, Steve, and a few other ‘comic’ characters. I’m not worried about the number of gays in the programme, but like everything else in Corrie, there’s lots of them. Everyone in Corrie has been to prison, had sex with all their neighbours, been in a serious accident, been raped or abused in some way, and all the children go their bedrooms and come downstairs five years later having morphed into a completely different person. The babies are always where exactly when their parents are in the pub or Bistro or at work, or out doing whatever? We see Daniel but never see his baby anymore. Where is it? And when a character leaves the area they book a plane ticket and leave by taxi all in about three hours, never to be seen again!

Anyway, one of my sons is gay. He lives with his partner and their adopted child, our little grandson. They live quietly, work professional jobs, have lots of friends, all heterosexual. They’re not at all camp and do not have limp wrists. You probably wouldn’t know they were gay unless you’d been told. They’re part of our family. That’s all there is to say really.

ExD Fri 02-Jul-21 18:00:44

Lol Alegrais1 it was foolish of me to compare my thoughts with other regimes, but it didn't stop me hesitating about posting them.
Still, its kept us amused for a while.

Shelflife Fri 02-Jul-21 17:52:43

I watched and yes it was a bit over the top. However I think most gay people
will appreciate what the producer was trying to do, ie educate and dispel misconceptions. People who are gay have to consider very carefully where they holiday , if it is safe to hold hands in the street. Much of the disrespect gay people have to tolerate is based on fear of the unknown. We all need to think that gay person is hopefully a much loved family member who is just as easily upset or offended as we are. There is so much violence in our wonderful world , so much hate. I know homophobia surrounds us despite the amazing changes that have happened! We have come a long way, but not there yet!

sodapop Fri 02-Jul-21 17:43:35

The Hayley & Roy story lines were some of the best I have seen in a soap. Roy continues to be one the best actors with his understated performances.

I love Sean's flounces as well grannyrebel always make me smile.