Are you irritated by incorrect grammar.

Kathy73

FannyCornforth

In fact, everytime I see the title of this thread, I am really, really irritated!

^Everytime should be written as two separate words: every time. While some compound words like everywhere, everyday, and everyone have become commonplace in the English language, everytime is not considered an acceptable compound word^

When Wilko was still called Wilkinson’s, I used to get very wound up by seeing ‘Everytime!’ plastered in big letters on their lorries.

Grandmajean ??

In my part of Scotland it was always Jy ( to rhyme with my ) Totally wrong and our teachers knocked it out of us. It is still pronounced wrongly in the West of Scotland by those who weren't scared of the teacher ?

When using phonics programmes such as Letterland, it is still necessary to teach the correct letter names. I was taught that the correct name for H is aitch and haitch is a regional pronunciation. I am sure someone will dispute that.
However, in the face the experts, I am mortified that my colleagues and I have mistaught so many pupils over the years, when using Letterland. Oh well, it's too late now, the damage is done.
We were delighted when we ditched it in favour of a more suitable and appropriate phonics programme.

Now, dare I mention the pronunciation of the letter J.

Ah well, that’s how they were taught and I had to practice the alphabet with them from the book.

Anniebach

No, I am interested in what is being said not how

I tend to be like that ... I probably make a few faux pas myself so can't jump on others.

FannyCornforth

Jaxjacky

Not very readable: Harry Hat Man (h as in hen)

But (I think) that is the phoneme / grapheme correspondence; as opposed to the ‘letter name’, which is aitch

It is indeed the phoneme/grapheme correspondence, not the letter name, because Letter Land was a phonics based programme.

Although I was brought up with 'aitch' and it drives me crazy when people say 'haitch' the second is actually more logical as it starts with the sound /h/ that the letter represents.

That's not what I meant Jax. When teaching the alphabet, the name of letter itself, was pronounced aitch, not haitch.

I’m not au fait with Letterland, but I’ve earned my stripes phonics wise

Jaxjacky

Not very readable: Harry Hat Man (h as in hen)

But (I think) that is the phoneme / grapheme correspondence; as opposed to the ‘letter name’, which is aitch

Not very readable: Harry Hat Man (h as in hen)

Not in this version Marydoll maybe Scotland had a different one.

That odd about Letterland. That programme was taught in all our local schools and the h sound was always silent.

'Febury' cripples me every time. Ugh!

kircubbin2000 my husband, who is of a Catholic family in Belfast does not say haitch. But my children, from a probably predominantly Protestant S Hampshire, bought up by an atheist mother, do. It’s how they were taught using the Letter Land alphabet.

Kathy but the difference is, I’m not setting myself up as the Grammar Police.
I don’t give a stuff about Angela Rayner’s grammar, which is what the op was about.
I was just trying to apply a ‘glass houses’ policy

eazybee

Coastpath makes the point that her mum's education was lacking, but writes that she seized the opportunity to improve her learning at night school, as so many did.
Angela Rayner considers she has no need to improve her grammar, or lack of education, which is shocking coming from someone who was for a time Shadow Secretary of State for Education.

She is not talking about grammatical errors, but accent.

Melvyn Bragg describes well the snobism he met when he went to Grammar school- mocked about his Lancashire accent and sayings. He got rid, very fast, as it was the only way to go up the ladder. Sad, I think.

I remember the Dean of my University, at our inauguration lecture- telling us we had to get rid of our local accents if we wanted to progress in the teaching profession- in the strongest klipped South African accent.

So much snobbism and false superiority linked to accent and grammar.

That is what grammarly says, anyway.

This is the funniest thread for ages! Everyone's posting to point out the errors of previous posts and, in so doing, slips up themselves! We're all tripping over ourselves!

Small tip from a once impoverished student nurse. Buy a bottle of pearlised white nail polish, mix a small amount with coloured ink and, voila, instant eye catching green, blue or red finger nails. Those were the days. ?

FannyCornforth

In fact, everytime I see the title of this thread, I am really, really irritated!

Everytime should be written as two separate words: every time. While some compound words like everywhere, everyday, and everyone have become commonplace in the English language, everytime is not considered an acceptable compound word

Oh, and then they became evangelical about cursive?

The only thing that upset me Fanny was seeing the word ‘wrong’ not what colour it was written in.

Obviously showing my age as I had no idea green pens are now used to soften the blow. ?

Mary that’s brilliant!
I went through a phase of brown ink in my fountain pen.
Oh for the days when you could choose which colour pen to use!
At one school I worked at the kids, teachers and TAs had to use five different colour pens for strictly differentiated activities.
It was a flipping nightmare.
You’d spend literally half of every lesson going through the presentation policy (DUMTUMS - did you have that?) and the pen policy! ?

Fanny, forty forty five years ago at university, my fountain pen contained green ink. I was so ahead of my time! ?