To think this is odd in view of what’s already been said

Legislation varies with regard to age of consent even in the UK. So for example if someone is 17 and you film sexual activity you will go to jail.

Shame they don’t apply this to all the children of various immigrants in this country. Roma marry very young 13-14. I lived next door to one such couple and other ethnicities in this country regularly ‘marry’ and give birth below 16 never mind 18!

Of course not Petera. She was above the age of consent here as I’m sure you know. I just commented that he’s not a paedophile, a description often used.

This thread or the crimes committed has nothing to do with Roma families

Not a child under English law for the purposes of consensual sex.

Hebephilia and ephebophilia

Hebephilia is the term used to describe a preferential sexual interest in pubescent (i.e. early adolescent) individuals, rather than adult partners. As with paedophilia, it is not a term that would be applied to under-16s. A related term is ephebophilia, used to describe a preferential sexual interest in adolescent individuals (usually mid-late teens).

Hebephilia and ephebophilia are not formally defined as specific clinical disorders, but if the focus of the sexual preference leads to problematic behaviour and/or emotional distress, and if these problems are persistent (more than 6 months), they would likely meet ICD-10 criteria for disorders of sexual preference. This would need to be assessed by a professional.

Germanshepherdsmum

Of course not Petera. She was above the age of consent here as I’m sure you know. I just commented that he’s not a paedophile, a description often used.

Paedophile: someone who is sexually attracted to children (I cannot find a dictionary that qualifies this as young children)

Child: in England someone who has not yet reached their 18th birthday.

This is not and never has been, as I'm sure you know, about the age of consent.

JaneJudge. You don’t decide what can or can’t be posted on this thread regardless of your name!

JaneJudge

Is procurement of under 18s from other countries for prostitution legal in the UK?

Yes but I don’t think he did any procuring. That was Epstein and Maxwell.

Also Jane he wasn’t married at the time as you say, he was divorced.

Having sex with someone you know to have been trafficked is illegal, as far as I know.
The age is irrelevant.

Paedophile: someone who is sexually attracted to children (I cannot find a dictionary that qualifies this as young children).

The clue is in the word ‘children’. I’m not aware of old children.

MissAdventure

Having sex with someone you know to have been trafficked is illegal, as far as I know.
The age is irrelevant.

I thought so too

and actually tickingbord I can as it breaks GN guidelines to single out a specific ethnic group (especially when it has nothing to do with the discussion)

Having sex with someone you know to have been trafficked is illegal, as far as I know.
The age is irrelevant.

The age is relevant when it relates to paedophilia.

The UN's definition of a child is immaterial Petera when in the UK the legal age of consent is 16.

I agree MissA that the age of someone known to have been trafficked for sex is irrelevant, because that is an illegal act.

Yes, of course it is.
That is just splitting hairs, though, as far as I'm concerned

Yes, good point tickingbird.

Smileless2012

The UN's definition of a child is immaterial Petera when in the UK the legal age of consent is 16.

I agree MissA that the age of someone known to have been trafficked for sex is irrelevant, because that is an illegal act.

Arghh..the definition in England is 18.

The age of consent and the age when you stop being a child are two different things.

and actually tickingbord I can as it breaks GN guidelines to single out a specific ethnic group (especially when it has nothing to do with the discussion)

It had everything to do with the discussion when someone quotes a law stating that a child is classified as such until the age of 18. I quite correctly asked why that can only be interpreted when discussing PA being a paedophile and why it isn’t causing such outrage when it’s common for Roma and other ethnicities to marry and have children when far younger, IN the UK.

Miss Adventure. I’m not defending PA

The age of consent and the age when you stop being a child are two different things

Not in law.

I didn't imagine you would be defending him, tickingbird.

Exactly Petera they are different, so they should not be conflated when talking about paedophilia and consensual sex. Anyone having consensual sex with someone of the age of 16, who has not been trafficked, is not breaking the law so cannot be classed as a paedophile.

tickingbird

*The age of consent and the age when you stop being a child are two different things*

Not in law.

Yes in law. I'm sure GSM, as an ex-lawyer, can confirm.

And I repeat in even more detail:

^England

In England a child is defined as anyone who has not yet reached their 18th birthday. Child protection guidance points out that even if a child has reached 16 years of age and is:

living independently
in further education
a member of the armed forces
in hospital; or
in custody in the secure estate

they are still legally children and should be given the same protection and entitlements as any other child (Department for Education, 2018a).^

Under English law the age of consent for consensual sex is 16 but the age at which one ceases to be a minor and achieves majority is 18. A ‘child’ has various definitions under different statutes.

I'm sure we are all aware of the definition of a child Petera as we are all aware that it is not an act of paedophilia to have consensual sex with an untrafficked person between the ages of 16 and 18.