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So called jokes about rape!

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TerriBull Mon 01-Aug-22 12:19:14

AIBU to think that jokes about rape and killing women whatever the context are completely unacceptable and to women not funny at all.

Frankie Boyle, addressed a controversial stand up routine at the Latitude Festival recently in which he joked about raping and murdering tv presenter Holly Willoughby, he argued that the so called "joke" came within a wider context.

This is the context: in describing a game about killing and shagging people he included HW, he said this "I'd obviously kill and rape her afterwards, I'm only joking I'd rape her first"

AIBU, given the all too recent Sarah Everard case and the umpteen other women who will have been raped and kill by men his remarks are reprehensible. How is he getting away with this?

lixy Mon 01-Aug-22 13:20:45

No, not acceptable in any context whatsoever.

I wasn't there to hear it and would never go to hear Mr Boyle or Mr Gervais, though I do like stand-up and have been to many sessions over the years.

'It's only a joke' = 'It was only a bit of banter' = totally unacceptable.

volver Mon 01-Aug-22 13:21:50

I agree that what he said about Ms Price's son 11 years ago was unacceptable. I find it difficult though to hold a grudge for that long though.

Unlike some, it seems.

volver Mon 01-Aug-22 13:23:57

Who do you go to see lixy?

(Yes, its a trick question wink)

Oldwoman70 Mon 01-Aug-22 13:34:02

So because his comment about Katie Price's son was 11 years ago it should be forgotten? No it was in bad taste then and provoked an outcry. However, he appears to have not learned from that experience - or could it be that he says these things to generate publicity for his latest tour

MissAdventure Mon 01-Aug-22 13:36:23

It's his trademark to make offensive jokes - Jim Davidson was the same, (and hated!) until suddenly everyone liked him again.

tickingbird Mon 01-Aug-22 13:36:44

FB is a Scot isn’t he Volver? Are you really that partisan?

volver Mon 01-Aug-22 13:38:44

Ms Price certainly hasn't forgotten has she?

But he doesn't need to learn from that experience. He doesn't have to behave the way you want him to. If you don't like him, fair enough. Calling him the names he's been called on here and making assumptions about him and his motives is up there with the anti-Meghan brigade.

Some get irony and some don't. ??

volver Mon 01-Aug-22 13:40:45

MissAdventure

It's his trademark to make offensive jokes - Jim Davidson was the same, (and hated!) until suddenly everyone liked him again.

Good lord he's nothing like Jim Davidson.

And if you all think he is, that explains a lot.

lixy Mon 01-Aug-22 13:42:13

volver

Who do you go to see lixy?

(Yes, its a trick question wink)

In recent years Ed Burns and Romesh Ranganathan - our local theatre is close to London so they came to try out material.
Saw Dara O'Briain also but wouldn't go again - too many 'f's'.

Haven't been to see anyone for a few years - thank you Covid - but am looking forward to seeing Arthur Smith in the autumn.
OK?!

Beckett Mon 01-Aug-22 13:42:52

Are you saying that just because something happened years ago it should be forgiven and forgotten? I don't recall you feeling that way about Prince Andrew and his despicable actions which took place over 20 years ago - or is it one rule for those people you like and another for those you don't?

MissAdventure Mon 01-Aug-22 13:43:21

I'm not speaking for "all".
Just myself.

Jaxjacky Mon 01-Aug-22 13:46:30

Daily Mail 1, Common Sense 0

volver Mon 01-Aug-22 13:52:16

lixy

volver

Who do you go to see lixy?

(Yes, its a trick question wink)

In recent years Ed Burns and Romesh Ranganathan - our local theatre is close to London so they came to try out material.
Saw Dara O'Briain also but wouldn't go again - too many 'f's'.

Haven't been to see anyone for a few years - thank you Covid - but am looking forward to seeing Arthur Smith in the autumn.
OK?!

This Romesh Ranganathan?

www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/a33362865/romesh-ranganathan-racist-jokes-regrets/

I mean it was 20 years ago, but let's not let that be an excuse, eh?

volver Mon 01-Aug-22 13:54:10

Beckett

Are you saying that just because something happened years ago it should be forgiven and forgotten? I don't recall you feeling that way about Prince Andrew and his despicable actions which took place over 20 years ago - or is it one rule for those people you like and another for those you don't?

Can I just ask?

Is there a group of Grans who keep a file of what everybody posts about to bring out in evidence against them? I can't ever recall posting about Prince Andrew but maybe I did. ??

Although what it's got to do with this conversation I have no idea....

Beckett Mon 01-Aug-22 13:57:33

Seems volver does think if something happened over 20 years ago it should be forgotten - does that mean she has changed her opinion about PA

Beckett Mon 01-Aug-22 13:59:12

volver

Beckett

Are you saying that just because something happened years ago it should be forgiven and forgotten? I don't recall you feeling that way about Prince Andrew and his despicable actions which took place over 20 years ago - or is it one rule for those people you like and another for those you don't?

Can I just ask?

Is there a group of Grans who keep a file of what everybody posts about to bring out in evidence against them? I can't ever recall posting about Prince Andrew but maybe I did. ??

Although what it's got to do with this conversation I have no idea....

Actually you started a thread about how the Queen should not have allowed him to walk her into Westminster Cathedral (look it up!)

volver Mon 01-Aug-22 14:00:11

Beckett

Seems volver does think if something happened over 20 years ago it should be forgotten - does that mean she has changed her opinion about PA

Why are you just making things up?

Run out of ideas?

Also, why are you talking about me in the third person? That's very weird.

volver Mon 01-Aug-22 14:03:59

Beckett

volver

Beckett

Are you saying that just because something happened years ago it should be forgiven and forgotten? I don't recall you feeling that way about Prince Andrew and his despicable actions which took place over 20 years ago - or is it one rule for those people you like and another for those you don't?

Can I just ask?

Is there a group of Grans who keep a file of what everybody posts about to bring out in evidence against them? I can't ever recall posting about Prince Andrew but maybe I did. ??

Although what it's got to do with this conversation I have no idea....

Actually you started a thread about how the Queen should not have allowed him to walk her into Westminster Cathedral (look it up!)

Are your records computerised or do you have a very extensive paper filing system?

Either way, its not healthy.

Actually, I started a thread about whether the RF were losing touch with the prevailing feelings of the British public. So, like I say, making things up. Or just not understanding things. Take your pick

lixy Mon 01-Aug-22 14:06:49

volver yes, that Romesh, though I think he's grown up a lot since he was 9 years old!
I guess there are skeletons in everyone's wardrobe if you dig hard enough.

But going back to the topic - jokes about rape and killing people are not jokes, no matter how they are presented and should always be called out.

TerriBull Mon 01-Aug-22 14:12:25

Jim Davidson old school misogynist Frankie Boyle right on edgy, new wave, beloved by the BBC misogynist, so gotta be alright! Anyway same meat different gravy!

What else can I think of to describe two such individuals, one leans to the right (probably extreme right) one to the left, one's English, aren't we lucky! and the other, hang on a moment I do believe is Scottish shock could that be a factor in comments such as making assumptions about him by the anti Meghan brigade, -- like what the f**k has she got to do with this thread-- other than you making assumptions about certain posters and I might just say to use one of your favoured expression "you don't get to do that!" but telling anyone what they can and can't do on a public forum sort of suggests an air of superiority so I wont! I can only conclude therefore it's a touch of "is it cos I's Scots". I hate to sound like Mrs Thatcher but it's a, NO! NO! NO! we care not where he's from we object to him because he is vile to women and disabled children and disabled people.

Thank you for pointing out that some get irony and some don't we always need to be made aware of our foibles

volver Mon 01-Aug-22 14:12:54

But going back to the topic - jokes about rape and killing people are not jokes, no matter how they are presented and should always be called out.

OK, I have washing to do which will be more productive than this. But here we go.

Frankie Boyle is most definitely not to everybody's taste. I do find him entertaining. None of us have seen his latest show. In that show, he says he has a long section devoted to whether some jokes are unacceptable and come out of toxic masculinity. That is the explanation for the "bad taste" joke about HW. That it was part of that discussion. I am prepared to believe that, having seen his acts on TV in the past.

But if you think he is just a nasty specimen who just tells one liners about raping people, you will be happy to call him names and believe what the Daily Mail tells you.

To each his own. Jokes on you.

volver Mon 01-Aug-22 14:15:48

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lixy Mon 01-Aug-22 14:22:21

Frankie Boyle is not to my taste at all.
Some subjects are just not suitable topics for comedy no matter where they come from (toxic masculinity) or how they are dressed up.

I'm not calling anyone names, (and I don't read the Daily Mail either by the way.)

Bellanonna Mon 01-Aug-22 14:23:31

I’ve nothing at all against Scotland or the Scot’s, but I thoroughly dislike that man and wholeheartedly agree with most of the comments on here. I remember how cruel he was about Rebecca Adlington’s nose, liking her to a dolphin. Poor Rebecca - I think she had a rhinoplasty after that. He stoops very low, that man.

Skydancer Mon 01-Aug-22 14:35:46

I think it’s because proper comedians are a thing of the past. Today’s think the way to get laughs is to be offensive or disgusting. I never listen to any of them.