Utter madness. IQ of the nation.

volver

GrannyGravy13

I have just seen this on Twitter

Where? Who? In what context? What was done about it?

Just posting a picture doesn't tell us much.

It was at the Celtic home game last night volver. I have been trying to find out the consequences with no avail. I am now going out for the rest of the day.

The banner is referring to the man who broke into the palace and accessed the late Queens bedroom.

The other banners F**k The Crown, along with disgusting songs, insults and jibes.

From what I understand (through football fans in our family) Celtic supporters have a history of this.

As the OP was about madness and IQ, in my opinion these fans have made me mad and their IQ is questionable.

volver

GrannyGravy13

I have just seen this on Twitter

Where? Who? In what context? What was done about it?

Just posting a picture doesn't tell us much.

I know what it is, the Celtic match last night. Ties in with your comment about Rangers volver, I understood what you meant.

I will be driving past the end of the road to Sandringham today- on my way to a funeral- but won’t be stopping. I can’t bear to see all those flowers wrapped up in plastic. Why don’t people take the wrapping home with them?
I have visited our church and left my message of condolence in the Lady Chapel. No one there but me. There is a tribute of Rosemary, Sage and lavender and a single rose next to The photograph of HM.
Each to their own

Thank you GG13.

I don't agree with the banners being shown. I don't agree with your assessment of the fans' IQs.

It was in Poland and BT Sports decided it was a good thing to show on TV.

The Rangers fans last night decided to ignore UEFA rules and sing the UK national anthem in defiance of what they had been told was acceptable. Any complaints about them? (Anyway they lost 3-0 I believe)

volver

MerylStreep

It was lovely to see Rangers giving the finger to UAFA by singing the national anthem.

There is so much more to this than you can possibly imagine.....

Perhaps you could enlighten us volver ?

volver

Thank you GG13.

I don't agree with the banners being shown. I don't agree with your assessment of the fans' IQs.

It was in Poland and BT Sports decided it was a good thing to show on TV.

The Rangers fans last night decided to ignore UEFA rules and sing the UK national anthem in defiance of what they had been told was acceptable. Any complaints about them? (Anyway they lost 3-0 I believe)

Whilst Singing the National Anthem was not to the UEFA rules, it is not insulting the Crown/Monarchy.

GrannyGravy13

volver

MerylStreep

It was lovely to see Rangers giving the finger to UAFA by singing the national anthem.

There is so much more to this than you can possibly imagine.....

Perhaps you could enlighten us volver ?

Oh dear, I may call on Casdon for help with this one. Apologies in advance if I offend anyone.

Many Rangers supporters are well known as fanatical supporters of the Union and anything to do with it. There is a memorable video of a Rangers supporter after the Independence referendum singing "you can shove your independence up your Ar**". Singing the National Anthem isn't just a sign of loyalty, its an obsession.

There is also a religious divide historically with the Celtic supports who were traditionally Irish.

I'm not saying any more, it's a minefield.

volver

GrannyGravy13

volver

MerylStreep

It was lovely to see Rangers giving the finger to UAFA by singing the national anthem.

There is so much more to this than you can possibly imagine.....

Perhaps you could enlighten us volver ?

Oh dear, I may call on Casdon for help with this one. Apologies in advance if I offend anyone.

Many Rangers supporters are well known as fanatical supporters of the Union and anything to do with it. There is a memorable video of a Rangers supporter after the Independence referendum singing "you can shove your independence up your Ar**". Singing the National Anthem isn't just a sign of loyalty, its an obsession.

There is also a religious divide historically with the Celtic supports who were traditionally Irish.

I'm not saying any more, it's a minefield.

Thanks volver you have jogged my memory

(apologies for any spelling mistakes, I am dodging structural engineers room-to-room round my house at the moment and as soon as they are finished I am off out, so I may not reply immediately)

Here’s a report from the Scottish Government which explains some of the history and reparations required. I’m not saying it’s the best report, there are plenty of documents online for anybody who wants to find out more.
www.holyrood.com/inside-politics/view,sectarianism-still-scotlands-shame_8905.htm

Thanks Casdon, that was very interesting.

She was an excellent modern constitutional monarch who also, and obviously, won the respect and love of many people.

The death of an important personage tends to make people think about life, death, loss, and love. Feelings are intensified.

Although people who agree with Paddyann's point of view (as do I)are reasonable, we may also consider irrational and emotional behaviour to be a matter of fact.

There is a certain level of mass hysteria, reminiscent of Diana's death, IMO.

To hear people saying they're heartbroken, grief-stricken, sobbing, like losing your mum/gran, etc - I find that very strange.

Most people I know feel a bit sad and nostalgic for past times and admire the Queen for her long service, and for the fact that she's just 'been there', others don't really care that someone of 96 has died.

Riverwalk I was surprised to see an American tourist on TV, sobbing her heart out. Who'd have thought that a young person from the USA would be so deeply affected?

I am sad, as are family and friends, it's a significant historical moment in this country and I've seen a tear or two but no-one i know openly sobbing.

Most of her family are managing to keep their tears in check, too, until they are away from the cameras.

It has made me think a lot about our loved ones whom we have lost over the years though.

I agree we engage with it more when we make it all about family. So yes, it is sort of like losing my mum because she died 40 years ago, and as a child I remember her talking about The Queen.

nanna8

I am certainly not a monarchist but I wouldn’t have missed staying up until 1 a.m. in the morning watching all the colourful and stunning funeral marches for anything. It was so good 5hat the sun was shining and the brightly coloured uniforms could be seen in full splendour. I felt sorry for the 4 offspring doing the slow March, they all looked exhausted except Edward who looked a lot younger ( less responsibilities?)

Edward and Sophie do their share, *nanna8)
It's Andrew who has plenty of time on his hands but I expect he'll be kept busy walking the dogs in future.

It was a shame she couldn't have gone on the royal train

oodles

It was a shame she couldn't have gone on the royal train

Yes-we planned to go and pay our respects as the train passed, but there were too many concerns about safety because of trespassers and protesters.

Joseanne

I agree we engage with it more when we make it all about family. So yes, it is sort of like losing my mum because she died 40 years ago, and as a child I remember her talking about The Queen.

this is exactly why people do cry, it jogs the memory and then the floodgates may open, possibly a good thing for them.

I think as she trundled around the highways and byways of Scotland for 6 hours on Saturday it would not be unreasonable for the rest of the journey to have been by road or rail.

kircubbin2000

FannyCornforth

So are they ‘mad’, ‘stupid’, or as you suggest, both?
The news channels are running out of people to vox pop, I assume

What do you think?I give no opinion.

However you have chosen to put this post in the Thread "Am I being Unresonable" and I would answer you, that "Yes you are being unreasonable." I did not know the Queen but I wish I too could be part of the official ceremony to say Goodbye to our Queen as this gentleman wishes.

Travelling by road, does not require sticking on the rails. If anything happens ahead of a road calvalcade whether accidental or deliberate, a road convoy can quickly turn round and retrace its steps and reroute - and the country is riddled with roads of all sizes. It is also much easier for police to have police cars patrolling the road, watching what is happening either side and guarding junctions.

With trains this is much more difficult. Railways run through all kinds of countryside sometimes close to roads, sometimes through heavily wooded and rough country, often through farmlands and villages. It is crossed, over and under in so many different ways. It would be impossible for the police, or even drones to properly surveille it.

One of the main railway lines runs through our village, just clipping the corner of our garden. Through most of the village gardens, run up to the rail, there is a foot path, lane, farms all abutting on the railway. Bot to mention 2 level crossings and two bridges.

All it requires is one lorry to deliberately drive into the side of a bridge after the train has started or someone to drop something heavy concrete blocks, on the rails, possibly an hour before the train is due through but when it is on the way, and you have a major cock-up that blows a hole in the tight time table. Trains cannot turn round, go back a few miles and resume their journey. Some times the nearest alternative route could mean taking the train back 50 miles or more. You cannot stop traffic on every road that crosses the railway for a day in advance the chaos would be too much.

On our line, if a lorry blocked a level crossing or drove into the side of a bridge, or a local farmer drove his tractor onto the line from one of his fields, the train could have to go back 65 miles before it could be re routed, it might have to await another engine to help with the reverse journey. The delay could take up to a day out of a tight schedule.

That is why the Queens coffin did not travel down from Scotland by rail and will not travel by rail to Windsor.

Mollygo

Could it be that the IQ of the nation is highest among those who understand that different things are important to different people, whether we think them weird or not.

I agree

PamelaJ1 I'm disappointed that you are finding flowers all in plastic.
They are specifically saying "no wrappers" in London so the flowers can be composted.

I still think it's a waste but this is at least something.

I didn't realise that Prince Philip has not been buried yet but was in " temporary storage" awaiting the death of the queen.