Should we be accepting these behaviours?

uk.style.yahoo.com/police-man-seen-outside-leigh-163212326.html

Stop panicking and spreading fear. Nobody's tolerating anything.

It's not appropriate for anyone to loiter near a school and it's definitely not appropriate for anyone to wear a school uniform if they are not a pupil of that school.

I'm not excusing him, but perhaps he has a sister at the school and he has "borrowed" her uniform to try and fit in, maybe to make friends- trouble is, it will produce the opposite. School uniforms do cost a lot to buy so I don't know how likely someone with MH or LD would be to buy one. Hopefully his social worker can redirect him to places where he may meet people and gain social stimuli.

I hope the head teacher gives them a good talking to as well as Mr Plod. I hope no one takes the law into their own hands and that everyone stays safe. I'd be upset if I was a parent or child there, too.

JaneJudge

I know it's none of my business but i did wonder f he was known to social services or receives support from them and this is why the decision as made that he was not a risk.

That - in fact - might well be the case. And we have to assume that the police did talk to SS - because as much as they re becoming used to dealing with people with MH problems, they are not the experts, and if they didn't follow-up with SS, would they know enough to make the statement that he wasn't a threat?

My guess is that he's part of the care-in-the-community set up. And probably known by SS for some time - hence the reason he's deemed not to be a danger,

Read
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Happening.

Stop
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Conjecture.

Its
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uk.style.yahoo.com/police-man-seen-outside-leigh-163212326.html

Stop trying to censor people who are anonymous!

I suspect you’re right Dickens, that some kind of multi disciplinary meeting, after assessments, helped the police conclude he isn’t a risk. At least that’s what would have happened in the period when extravagances like informed risk assessments and multi agency meetings informed practice.
Volver I don’t see people spreading fear or panicking. There’s a discussion, some postersv(them again) expressing genuine concern. This individual’s vulnerability and need for good support is recognised. It’s a pity he appears to be unwilling/unable to understand his behaviour is causing understandable concern

volver

Read
The
Article
That
Tells
You
What
Is
Happening.

Stop
With
The
Conjecture.

Its
Not
Good
For
You.

uk.style.yahoo.com/police-man-seen-outside-leigh-163212326.html

Maybe listen to the two local posters on this thread …

Volver I don’t see people spreading fear or panicking.

You must be reading a different thread to me then.

How do you know that he appears to be unwilling/unable to understand his behaviour is causing understandable concern?

There are pictures of him engaging in unacceptable behaviour and a report from the Police saying they have referred him for specialist support. And yet we have people saying that nothing's being done.

Sheesh. Some days I understand how we ended up with witch trials.

I didn't click on the original article as I'd read it somewhere else. Have just read he is having some sort of MH crisis and has been referred for appropriate support which will most probably be non existent

If we get to a situation where we think we know better than the Police about random people we see in the street, then we are talking about anarchy

If he wants to stroll down the street in a frock and cardie no-one will bother about him.
They might think he looks a bit cold.

Standing outside schools dressed in primary school girls' uniform, catching the bus with schoolchildren and taking photos of girls just might press some alarm bells in most sensible, right-thinking people, particularly parents of the children being affected.

No-one is suggesting vigilantism or anarchy except you, volver.

JaneJudge

I didn't click on the original article as I'd read it somewhere else. Have just read he is having some sort of MH crisis and has been referred for appropriate support which will most probably be non existent

Oh, that'll take a year or two, then, if he's lucky.

I always find it strange when people get afraid of other people talking about their feelings and current events.

We are all adults with freedom of speech, so to tell everyone to stop talking is very immature.

If the police are not acting it will be because they know they will not get a conviction, either because of MH or maybe because of LD. Unfortunately there are people in our communities ( and my ES is one) who have even threatened to kill police officers and Still they are untouchable because it's too much hassle and because of their condition.

volver

^Volver I don’t see people spreading fear or panicking.^

You must be reading a different thread to me then.

How do you know that he appears to be unwilling/unable to understand his behaviour is causing understandable concern?

There are pictures of him engaging in unacceptable behaviour and a report from the Police saying they have referred him for specialist support. And yet we have people saying that nothing's being done.

Sheesh. Some days I understand how we ended up with witch trials.

MH facilities and help in the locality is practically nonexistent.

Parents are putting there children’s priorities ahead of this man which is only natural.

Callistemon 👍🏻

Yes I'm suggesting it. Because hardly anybody else seems to be aware its going on. Or those who do have left the thread.

Now he's "taking photos of girl". Because somebody on Mumsnet said so, so it must be true.

Pray to whatever god you believe in that you never find yourself on the wrong side of the mob.

JaneJudge

I didn't click on the original article as I'd read it somewhere else. Have just read he is having some sort of MH crisis and has been referred for appropriate support which will most probably be non existent

Thank you JaneJudge well after all the publicity not non existent but pretty loon the ground.

However I feel pretty angry about some of the things said above about this man on extremely thin evidence when its been clear to me compassion should have at least been weighed in from the start.

"Low on the ground"

Quotevolver Tue 24-Jan-23 19:58:19

I had a problem like that with my emails when they came out in a long string.
The problem was solved when I started a new email.

Hope that helps.

Callistemon21

JaneJudge

I didn't click on the original article as I'd read it somewhere else. Have just read he is having some sort of MH crisis and has been referred for appropriate support which will most probably be non existent

Oh, that'll take a year or two, then, if he's lucky.

Might as well just shoot him now then, to be on the safe side.

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Perhaps it's better in Scotland, volver but I do know the waiting list for NHS help is long and unacceptable especially as he is considered to be no risk.

M0nica

What bothers me is that all the consideration is being exercised on this man's side. No one is taking any notice of the fears the parents quite rightly feel faced with his behaviour. He may not be a threat, but the problem is, that often men behaving as he is are a threat, and you cannot tell the difference just by looking at someone.

I think much more consideration should be given to the parents and children involved.

I agree MOnica.

Could it be that this man believes at times that he is a young child and may identify strongly with little children, possibly seeing them as playmates.

Problems could arise if he acts upon this belief and attempts to befriend a child, even though he might mean no harm. Very worrying for all concerned, including the man himself.

volver

Callistemon21

JaneJudge

I didn't click on the original article as I'd read it somewhere else. Have just read he is having some sort of MH crisis and has been referred for appropriate support which will most probably be non existent

Oh, that'll take a year or two, then, if he's lucky.

Might as well just shoot him now then, to be on the safe side.

😡

Volver but I am concerned about the lack of MH support for everyone at the moment, which has been deteriorating for years. It's a huge problem, everywhere? and the lack of investment over decades is criminal

Nobody has said anything against this man, we all realise, because we have read it that he is harmless and mentally ill.

But I, and I think, others, do not see why this information means that the worries and concerns of the parents and children, should therefor be dismissed without any understanding or consideration, which you, Volver are doing. Surely, all of us are aware of the extent of child abuse in this country. Today's story of the horrific abuse in a childrens home, rated 'good' by Ofsted demonstrates this

This man may be harmless and ill, but what about the next one, or the man who always walks past when the children are coming out of school, with his hands in his pockets, or the friendly man in the swimming pool who loves playing with the youngsters (that was my experience, aged 10).

These children deserve protection as much as this man does and their parents concerns deserve to be met.