Should we be accepting these behaviours?

Callistemon21

Perhaps it's better in Scotland, volver but I do know the waiting list for NHS help is long and unacceptable especially as he is considered to be no risk.

It's not that simple as "waiting list lengths", Callistemon21.

Of course they feature for people already triaged, but for this man and those like him its a matter of amount of inpatient or acute resources (ie Home treatment teams in the Community)

and who helps him get access* if he does not want help or does not perceive himself as needing help yet is not assessed as immediate "danger to self or others.* .

You CAN force Treatment "In the community" under a Section in theory, but in practice there aren't the resources for that. He won't be "ill" enough for an inpatient bed as things stand.

there is also an issue that people are basically 'dumped' in cheaper coastal* towns to alleviate the cost of them living in London or more expensive treatment areas but it means they are moved to areas which already have complex problems surrounding poverty and deprivation

*not always coastal towns

Delila

Could it be that this man believes at times that he is a young child and may identify strongly with little children, possibly seeing them as playmates.

Problems could arise if he acts upon this belief and attempts to befriend a child, even though he might mean no harm. Very worrying for all concerned, including the man himself.

If that is the case why is it that one day he dresses as a primary schoolgirl and the next he is in senior schoolgirl uniform?

Nothing is clear in this instance.

The school children’s safety must take priority.

and that's no offence to anyone living in Southend*, I just know how it works unfortunately

*I like Southend

Care in the community is rubbish. It's a known fact that there are certain people who are "untouchable" due to their MH or LD and the police won't get involved.

True, he probably wouldn't be deemed necessary for a section. I do feel for the parents and children, but this is a fact of life- Care in the Community has done this. This guy is obvious (he sticks out a mile!) , but others who are more of a threat will be more clever, but will not be obvious. It is a fact that many people are not getting the care they should be and could be a risk for our kids.

we should just want better care and support for anyone vulnerable shouldn't we? whether they are a risk or not. It is better for all of us

JaneJudge

there is also an issue that people are basically 'dumped' in cheaper coastal* towns to alleviate the cost of them living in London or more expensive treatment areas but it means they are moved to areas which already have complex problems surrounding poverty and deprivation

*not always coastal towns

I saw a programme on tv about Jaywick being especially bad...but I'm sure it happens anywhere where the Local Authority is happy to take the extra money from Central Government to have them there.

Nobody has said anything against this man, we all realise, because we have read it that he is harmless and mentally ill.

Och, read the thread M0nica.

Now its all "oh he's mentally ill" but we started with the school Head not want to take a stance for fear of pro trans anger… It’s smacks of Jimmy Saville….hiding in plain sight… Grooming in plain sight… The man is clearly a pervert getting his kicks around kids.

I am not dismissing the fears of parents. I am calling into question the mob mentality that thinks they know better than the police and can take matters into their own hands.

JaneJudge

there is also an issue that people are basically 'dumped' in cheaper coastal* towns to alleviate the cost of them living in London or more expensive treatment areas but it means they are moved to areas which already have complex problems surrounding poverty and deprivation

*not always coastal towns

The primary school is in Southend but not coastal the senior school is just off a major A road nowhere near the sea only common denominator is bus route.

OnwardsandUpwards Essex is a large county and Jaywick is an exception to the rest of the County.

Janejudge
I moved to Southend in 1968. You can’t offend us 😄 we know the problems, and it’s not getting any better.

volver

^Nobody has said anything against this man, we all realise, because we have read it that he is harmless and mentally ill.^

Och, read the thread M0nica.

Now its all "oh he's mentally ill" but we started with the school Head not want to take a stance for fear of pro trans anger… It’s smacks of Jimmy Saville….hiding in plain sight… Grooming in plain sight… The man is clearly a pervert getting his kicks around kids.

I am not dismissing the fears of parents. I am calling into question the mob mentality that thinks they know better than the police and can take matters into their own hands.

volver I can only speak for myself with 40 years of local knowledge.

Parents will not be comfortable with this situation and if the police are seen to be doing nothing about it there is a highly likely chance that this will escalate.

By saying this it is not my endorsement of their actions, just an observation of the local unease.

MerylStreep

Janejudge
I moved to Southend in 1968. You can’t offend us 😄 we know the problems, and it’s not getting any better.

Agreed

Onwardandupward
Our council isn’t happy with the situation ( having to house people who are moved out of expensive rental areas) they don’t have an option.

GrannyGravy13 How far from the sea makes an area cease to be coastal, and what difference does it make to JaneJudge's statement that:

^there is also an issue that people are basically 'dumped' in cheaper coastal* towns to alleviate the cost of them living in London or more expensive areas - also part of her post.

The fact is the government has moved people out of big cities to areas of low rents, low employment and available accommodation and many are coastal towns - and the accommodation can be a mile or so from the sea. Whether Southend is such a place, is an entirely seperate question. But what she had to say is valid.

Sadly, it happens everywhere.

Not all dress like a schoolchildren though. Perhaps he was trying to blend in and remain incognito.

it isn't just adults with mental health problems though being shipped out, look at children's homes and LD communities. It all needs to be looked at imo because modern societies and communities should include everyone

I actually find it really sad and have done for some time

M0nica

GrannyGravy13 How far from the sea makes an area cease to be coastal, and what difference does it make to JaneJudge's statement that:

^there is also an issue that people are basically 'dumped' in cheaper coastal* towns to alleviate the cost of them living in London or more expensive areas - also part of her post.

The fact is the government has moved people out of big cities to areas of low rents, low employment and available accommodation and many are coastal towns - and the accommodation can be a mile or so from the sea. Whether Southend is such a place, is an entirely seperate question. But what she had to say is valid.

The area where the senior school is situated you would be lucky to get a flat (2 bedrooms) for under £300,00.

I am not so knowledgeable regarding property prices near the primary school.

Although this may have caused community concerns, we would like to reassure the public that no offences have been committed and that this individual does not pose a risk.

The risk is that others who do pose a risk could well copy the behaviour, but it’s not a risk until it is.
If parents lined up along the pavements at playtime and lunch time out of concern for their children, would the police be so relaxed I wonder.

GrannyGravy13

M0nica

GrannyGravy13 How far from the sea makes an area cease to be coastal, and what difference does it make to JaneJudge's statement that:

^there is also an issue that people are basically 'dumped' in cheaper coastal* towns to alleviate the cost of them living in London or more expensive areas - also part of her post.

The fact is the government has moved people out of big cities to areas of low rents, low employment and available accommodation and many are coastal towns - and the accommodation can be a mile or so from the sea. Whether Southend is such a place, is an entirely seperate question. But what she had to say is valid.

The area where the senior school is situated you would be lucky to get a flat (2 bedrooms) for under £300,00.

I am not so knowledgeable regarding property prices near the primary school.

So do you think the parents are complaining because they have moved within an expensive catchment area? so he shouldn't be there?

btw I am not being combative, I am trying to open discussion

JaneJudge

it isn't just adults with mental health problems though being shipped out, look at children's homes and LD communities. It all needs to be looked at imo because modern societies and communities should include everyone

I actually find it really sad and have done for some time

It's basically a strand of 'social-cleansing' isn't it?

It creates an even more unequal and divided society.

"So do you think the parents are complaining because they have moved within an expensive catchment area? so he shouldn't be there?"

Quite believable, Jane

JaneJudge

GrannyGravy13

M0nica

GrannyGravy13 How far from the sea makes an area cease to be coastal, and what difference does it make to JaneJudge's statement that:

^there is also an issue that people are basically 'dumped' in cheaper coastal* towns to alleviate the cost of them living in London or more expensive areas - also part of her post.

The fact is the government has moved people out of big cities to areas of low rents, low employment and available accommodation and many are coastal towns - and the accommodation can be a mile or so from the sea. Whether Southend is such a place, is an entirely seperate question. But what she had to say is valid.

The area where the senior school is situated you would be lucky to get a flat (2 bedrooms) for under £300,00.

I am not so knowledgeable regarding property prices near the primary school.

So do you think the parents are complaining because they have moved within an expensive catchment area? so he shouldn't be there?

No.

Parents are concerned for their children, full stop. It happens in all parts of the country - men loitering near schools and parents becoming worried.

JaneJudge not overly expensive for the area, the other side of the A road you can add £50-100,000 to the price.

The area is not rundown, it’s a local community. It is not full of bedsits, immigrants or people shipped in as suggested up thread.

The man in question obviously has issues whether they be mental health or sexual, his right to freedom should not be above children’s safe guarding.