Trans Teacher

The man with the breasts in Canada or America (cant remembr which), lots and lots of people in a few years time are going to be asked but how did you let that happen, what were you thinking, surely you werent that daft. I dont really want to be one of those people.

I honestly think that a lot of people will be asked some searching questions - indeed it is happening already as so many people are detransitioning.

I agree with you that little as posting on here does, at least questioning the sorts of things that are going on in the name of 'inclusivity' is opening the debate. I can only imagine how awful it would feel to have been instrumental in any of that when the questions start coming thick and fast.

When the insults begin I know I'm on the right track. :-)

Take the case of the man in Canada Galaxy has mentioned.

He has been of work with full pay whilst they move him into another school, where he can continue to wear his fake breasts and wig.

They have introduced security, self locking doors and a higher fence.

All of this is to keep parents out. They cannot enter the school without giving 24 hours notice.

The parents and children have no power. But their taxes are paying for this nonsense.

Could it happen here? Why not.

Childrens welfare matters most of all.

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The concept that dress restrictions can be placed on people based on their sex.

That is not what has been questioned here. It’s the context of the clothing.

Of course, if you feel all clothing is appropriate in any context . . .

That explains your lack of understanding of the concerns of posters.

Just noticed that VS has now dragged in make up and handbags. 🤣🤣🤣

Children's welfare matters most of all.

Absolutely. Why can't we even discuss this without idiotic comments about banning gay people, or refusing entry to trans parents? Trans parents, like sufferers from gender dysphoria are very rare - I know that both exist, but if a teacher sees one or two of either in the course of a career that is likely to be all. That there are training courses to show people how to deal with this is evidence of the power of the trans lobby.

Namsnanny the case you mention is another one where the needs (or desires) of one person have been put above the welfare of the children they are supposed to be educating, and must be taking ££££ out of already stretched budgets.

We really are going round in circles with this thread, aren't we?

If anyone is interested, parents in the UK are going to sue the Dept. for Ed. for harms caused by gender ideology.

Obviously they feel the need to do something.

I wish them well, as our gov is kicking the issue into the long grass.

That is good news- do you have a link to the story please, or do you know from personal experience?

Doodledog

*Children's welfare matters most of all.*

Absolutely. Why can't we even discuss this without idiotic comments about banning gay people, or refusing entry to trans parents? Trans parents, like sufferers from gender dysphoria are very rare - I know that both exist, but if a teacher sees one or two of either in the course of a career that is likely to be all. That there are training courses to show people how to deal with this is evidence of the power of the trans lobby.

Namsnanny the case you mention is another one where the needs (or desires) of one person have been put above the welfare of the children they are supposed to be educating, and must be taking ££££ out of already stretched budgets.

We really are going round in circles with this thread, aren't we?

Makes my head whirl.

But maybe, as you or Dickens said somewhere (so many of these threads!) laying all this out in print is giving anyone who is vaguely interested points of view to mull over themselves.

The fact that people would rather laugh at others comments than articulate an actual answer is why we can't have nice things

Does anyone actually understand the concept of debate/discussion around here or do only your thoughts matter?

I have plenty of nice things thanks.
I understand the concept of debate on GN, why would you think I dont. I dont need guidance on how to behave on GN.

Happy Echo Chamber

Is it. I disagree with many points on here and I am sure people disagree with me. I even disagree with myself on part of it. Again I can manage my conduct on GN.

My feelings are children are being ignored or worse used, in a political experiment.

And children are being used in a psychological and medical experiment by coaching them to believe that choosing their sex is possible and that, if they feel they are in the 'wrong body', that is actually true and everyone must go along with their feeling and they will probably have to have drug treatment and surgery, as the years go on,

Those who think it's so lovely for children to 'express themselves' by thinking they are other than their real sex and who proclaim 'Protect Trans Kids' seem very quiet on the situation for those children at puberty and after that, other than to say 'puberty blockers are reversible & harmless' which isn't true and that 'trans healthcare' is vital without going into what is actually involved in the lifelong drug treatment and the mutilating surgery.

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202309/medium-687766-img-20230828-152726872-burst000-cover-top.jpg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202309/medium-162357-img-20230828-152418115-hdr.jpg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202309/medium-717240-img-20230828-152326942-hdr.jpg

Apologies if I've posted this already in this thread.
True You - a Gender Journey is a new book for 4-8 year olds, clearly suggesting to them that they may be trans based on how they feel - which can be great when you're 4-8 but how about as you get older and it becomes clear your body has other ideas?

This book will no doubt be in schools, in libraries and in homes as foolish adults think they are being progressive by promoting this stuff.

A couple of other books I've seen are I Am Jazz & 10,000 Dresses and I'm sure there are many more, all based on stereotypes.

This is a link to a very short video of a young woman at Let Women Speak Dublin on Sat 16 Sept.

twitter.com/WomenAreReals/status/1703067907012645375?t=sSrZ1G9AfgtAtk4tP4H82g&s=19

VioletSky

The fact that people would rather laugh at others comments than articulate an actual answer is why we can't have nice things

Does anyone actually understand the concept of debate/discussion around here or do only your thoughts matter?

What?

Dickens

VioletSky

The fact that people would rather laugh at others comments than articulate an actual answer is why we can't have nice things

Does anyone actually understand the concept of debate/discussion around here or do only your thoughts matter?

What?

Thanks Dickens, I’m re-posting because I read this latest comment with a degree of incredulity.
Projection again.

VioletSky

Happy Echo Chamber

It seems more posters agree with each other, broadly, than they do with you.

What do you expect us to do about it?

Iam64

Dickens
VioletSky
The fact that people would rather laugh at others comments than articulate an actual answer is why we can't have nice things

Does anyone actually understand the concept of debate/discussion around here or do only your thoughts matter?
What?

Thanks Dickens, I’m re-posting because I read this latest comment with a degree of incredulity.

Projection again.

I wasn’t incredulous, when I read it. Such vs is what I expected, and what was delivered.

Questions for debate/discussion.
1. What purpose was served by a man (if he ever existed) wearing a skirt when going to work in a school.
This has been debated/discussed for 27 pages and at least has the virtue of relating to the OP.

2. Is one person’s concept of debate/discussion the only valid one?

3. Are comments about echo chambers funny when the person who posts them echoes herself?

Galaxy

I am not discussing him. Hes not real. I am discussing the safeguarding issue that for some men dressing in clothes traditionally worn by woman is a turn on. I am discussing the safeguarding issues involving this. I am offering no solutions I am exploring the issues in my head whilst trying to ignore people shouting.

So how far would you like to take this? One of the ways men turned on by women's clothes manage this is by wearing women's underwear. Do you want to check this as well? Just in case a male teacher is wearing women's pants.
You really cannot monitor or check any persons sexual preferences in the way you want. Teachers are vigorously monitored, checked and regulated to protect children. Just as homosexual teachers were never a threat to children, neither is a man wearing a skirt

FarNorth

Apologies if I've posted this already in this thread.
True You - a Gender Journey is a new book for 4-8 year olds, clearly suggesting to them that they may be trans based on how they feel - which can be great when you're 4-8 but how about as you get older and it becomes clear your body has other ideas?

This book will no doubt be in schools, in libraries and in homes as foolish adults think they are being progressive by promoting this stuff.

A couple of other books I've seen are I Am Jazz & 10,000 Dresses and I'm sure there are many more, all based on stereotypes.

Don't know where you got this but the format and design doesnt' look at all suitable for 4-8 year olds to me.

Agreed The format (and content) isn’t suitable for 4-8 year olds, unless you’re keen to push a trans agenda.

A man choosing to wear a skirt (if this event was even true) isn’t a threat, he’s just a man choosing to draw attention to himself instead of focusing on the needs and education of the children in his care.
If you approve of that, that’s your choice.

VioletSky

The fact that people would rather laugh at others comments than articulate an actual answer is why we can't have nice things

Does anyone actually understand the concept of debate/discussion around here or do only your thoughts matter?

Are you serious?

Earlier you posted a long list of things that you presented as extensions of the logic of what we were saying - banning trans parents from schools, stopping gay ones from holding hands etc. They had bog all to do with the argument, and when called on it you claimed that you were being sarcastic.

Is this your idea of the 'concept of debate/discussion'? To waste people's time articulating an answer to a post that you then claim was never serious in the first place? Some of the things said on here are so unbelievable to my ears that I don't know how we are supposed to differentiate between so-called sarcasm and daft ideas.

That was either disingenuous in that when you realised that your attempt to be ironic showed a total misunderstanding of the issues you changed tack and claimed you were being sarcastic, or it was simply disrespectful of others in that letting people waste their time replying doesn't matter to you.

To use your words, (which, incidentally, are far more appropriate when speaking to small children) this sort of thing is 'why we can't have nice things'. It's also why it is difficult to debate.

Back to the topic - I'm another who agrees that books about transitioning are inappropriate for children aged 4-8. An occasional book with a transperson as a character is one thing. I would prefer to see no mastectomy scars or binders, just an already transitioned character doing whatever the story is about, but if a child in the class has trans parents I can see the advantage of their being to see those parents/that parent represented. This one, however, is speaking from the POV of children, which is very different.

Encouraging children of 4-8 that 'it is what you think that matters' may seem liberating, but at that age they really need the security of knowing that the adults around them have their best interests at heart, and that on the whole* they can rely on them to give the best advice, so should follow it. As teenagers they should be able to start exploring 'what they think', but only in the context of having learnt a safe set of boundaries when they were younger.

* Before anyone points out that not all children have caring adults who have their best interests at heart, I am well aware of that. I just don't think that the whole class needs books encouraging individualism at four.

There is nothing wrong with discussions on what it means to be a boy or a girl (something which adults' difficulty with discussing appears to have a direct correlation with their support for having people change from one to another) but 'never mind what others say, only your opinion matters' is not a good message for such young children IMO.