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LaCrepescule Fri 21-Jun-24 07:29:06

I feel ashamed to be English after reading about our loutish football fans singing this odious song with their stupid models of bombers, in the beautiful country that is hosting Euro 2024.
The German response has been measured and gracious but I think the fans should be arrested for hate crime and banned from attending future matches.
Or is it ok because it’s Germany and it must forever pay and be ridiculed for Hitler’s crimes? I hope they win the tournament and so far their playing has been glorious.

BlueBelle Fri 21-Jun-24 07:32:52

It’s hideous and shows us at our worst and yes they should be arrested and banned for life but
I think your title is repeating it and I wouldn’t have done that because it makes me cringe just seeing it in writing

RosiesMaw Fri 21-Jun-24 08:02:09

The “oxygen of publicity” is a double edged sword isn’t it?
I had been (blissfully?) unaware of this up till now and think instead of inviting discussion I would prefer to treat such displays of hooliganism with the attention they deserve.

Sago Fri 21-Jun-24 08:30:54

From todays Telegraph;

Fans staying in Düsseldorf during the European Championship sang “Lizzie’s in a box” while others in Frankfurt chanted Harry Kane “licks windows on the bus” when they met English fans in the city.

As England fans again sang 10 German Bombers in defiance of police advice, a handful of Scottish fans have now been caught chanting their own offensive songs.

In footage filmed on the streets of Düsseldorf earlier this week, a small number of Scotland fans chanted “Lizzie’s in a box, in a box, Lizzie’s in a box, na na na na na na na,” in a celebration of the death of Elizabeth II who died in September 2022.

Freya5 Fri 21-Jun-24 08:35:45

Sago

From todays Telegraph;

Fans staying in Düsseldorf during the European Championship sang “Lizzie’s in a box” while others in Frankfurt chanted Harry Kane “licks windows on the bus” when they met English fans in the city.

As England fans again sang 10 German Bombers in defiance of police advice, a handful of Scottish fans have now been caught chanting their own offensive songs.

In footage filmed on the streets of Düsseldorf earlier this week, a small number of Scotland fans chanted “Lizzie’s in a box, in a box, Lizzie’s in a box, na na na na na na na,” in a celebration of the death of Elizabeth II who died in September 2022.

They're all disgusting. If they belonged to my family, husband ,son, etc, they would feel the full force of my disaster when they arrived home.
Shame that these yobs bring embarresment to our country, and the many decent Fans that follow football.
So yes a ban would be well deserved.

Iam64 Fri 21-Jun-24 08:39:09

It’s sickening that groups of football supporters can behave like this. Ignorant drunks all too often.

Smileless2012 Fri 21-Jun-24 08:47:15

I agree Iam. Unfortunately there are ignorant drunks from many countries who call themselves football supporters, as Sago's post clearly shows,

LaCrepescule Fri 21-Jun-24 08:49:17

Yes, agree about “the oxygen of publicity.” But perhaps the publicity might lead to tougher handling of these louts, whether English or Scottish and might so some way to stamping out this vile behaviour.

LaCrepescule Fri 21-Jun-24 08:52:48

RosiesMaw, are you suggesting we ignore this behaviour? I believe that discussion should be invited, so the authorities send out a clear message that such acts of hate won’t be tolerated.

Rekarie Fri 21-Jun-24 08:54:16

It's football.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 21-Jun-24 09:13:08

It’s not just U.K. supporters, Serbian fans were arrested earlier on in the week due to their behaviour towards a group of English fans.

Football from around the world has always had partisan chants, this doesn’t make it okay.

Does it make me ashamed to be English, no never, as there are 1,000’s of other fans not chanting .

Galaxy Fri 21-Jun-24 09:16:39

I am half German, my father is German. I am much more frightened of the people who want people arrested for singing a stupid song than the singers themselves.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 21-Jun-24 09:17:29

Galaxy

I am half German, my father is German. I am much more frightened of the people who want people arrested for singing a stupid song than the singers themselves.

👏👏👏

RosiesMaw Fri 21-Jun-24 09:25:59

La Crepuscule I believe it should be dealt with by the appropriate authorities.
Clucking about it on sites on social media achieves nothing.

Like Galaxy I too am half German but have no partisan bias regarding either nation.

Rekarie Fri 21-Jun-24 09:29:12

So true, Galaxy

I'm guessing that those getting irate about this know nothing about football chants

Believe me, this is very tame.

Galaxy Fri 21-Jun-24 09:31:54

But also trusting those in power with control of speech has always ended badly.

Bumface Fri 21-Jun-24 09:46:23

I am not a football fan but I know that most supporters are pretty well behaved and the hooligans are a minority.

I used to live close to a football ground and I could hear the shouts and the chants mostly rude but relatively harmless.
One day I kept hearing some of the crowd hissing. I asked my neighbour what was it all about and he told me that Tottenham Hotspur were playing and it was the home fans hissing. Years later I Googled Spurs and worked out what the hissing was about, needless to say I was horrified.

LaCrepescule Fri 21-Jun-24 09:48:10

I wasn’t “clucking” RosiesMaw. Please don’t be condescending and rude.

Rekarie Fri 21-Jun-24 09:54:43

German police are on record saying the English fans are behaving very well.

There are numerous clips on social media with English and German fans singing this RAF song whilst hugging each other.

Just take a look at the chants about Hillsborough that Liverpool club gets. Even the Buzby Babes feature in chants.

This is football. Stop fretting.

biglouis Fri 21-Jun-24 10:07:59

Not being a football fan (or a fan of many sports at all) I was completely unaware of this song. When I was in school we sang:

Two German officers crossed the Rhine
Parlez-vous
Two German officers crossed the Rhine
To f**k the women and drink the wine

Galaxy Fri 21-Jun-24 10:26:04

Oh Rosie I didnt know that. Do

Galaxy Fri 21-Jun-24 10:27:45

Sorry. Do you speak German. I was useless and didnt take the opportunity to learn a second language from my parents (my mum also speaks fluent german). I can understand a bit.

Mamardoit Fri 21-Jun-24 10:39:44

Some have led very sheltered lives and are very easily offended. All football fans sing songs about the opposing side. It happens in other sports too.

I can't say I like the songs my sons have joined in with at cricket or at the ruby club but it happens after a drink or two.

I'm sure it doesn't reflect any hatred of Germany. The English are subject to far more hatred for things the empire did hundreds of years ago. Just the English of course nothing to do with the other home nations.

Mamardoit Fri 21-Jun-24 10:45:19

biglouis

Not being a football fan (or a fan of many sports at all) I was completely unaware of this song. When I was in school we sang:

Two German officers crossed the Rhine
Parlez-vous
Two German officers crossed the Rhine
To f**k the women and drink the wine

There are several verses to this. I learnt them on the school bus. Some of the lads had been on a army cadet camp. There were on adults on the bus of course just the driver. He joined in with the chorus.

Roll me over in the clover was another song from the army cadets.

maddyone Fri 21-Jun-24 10:46:22

I don’t think it’s a big deal. Football fans have always sung songs that are mildly offensive. So long as it doesn’t erupt into violence I’m okay with it.