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Like this work by Tracy Emin?

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Wyllow3 Sat 24-Jun-23 19:58:30

Doors of the re-vamped national Portrait Gallery.

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/jun/21/doors-tracey-emin-national-portrait-gallerys-41m-rebirth

Pix and comments on changes in the National Portrait Gallery.

Slashed stone, daylight galore and doors by Tracey Emin: the National Portrait Gallery’s £41m rebirth
Forty-five faces of women, scribbled by Emin, now beam out from bronze doors – all part of an astonishing revamp that has turned this once unloved London landmark into a great building

“‘A foil to the row of 14 white male painters who look down, stony-faced, from above’ … Emin’s doors featuring 45 portraits that ‘represent every woman’
National Portrait Gallery

For me, its a total “like” - women of all ages and cultural backgrounds under the original Great Artists at a time when women were predominantly not just the muse or object of art, but beauty defined as young.

My big grump is of course the London-centric placing- I hope tho to find more close ups of the panels.

My other big grump of course is that Emin drew on the work of some of us producing alternative and controversial images of women in the 1970’s that didn’t match the stereotypes but she hasn’t ever acknowledged this body of work - nor the work of women like Käthe Kollwitz earlier in the century - but things are what they are and glad to see this work, and anyway artists have always drawn on a history of art and worked within it.

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/jun/21/doors-tracey-emin-national-portrait-gallerys-41m-rebirth

Pix and comments on changes in the National Portrait Gallery.

Slashed stone, daylight galore and doors by Tracey Emin: the National Portrait Gallery’s £41m rebirth
Forty-five faces of women, scribbled by Emin, now beam out from bronze doors – all part of an astonishing revamp that has turned this once unloved London landmark into a great building

“‘A foil to the row of 14 white male painters who look down, stony-faced, from above’ … Emin’s doors featuring 45 portraits that ‘represent every woman’
National Portrait Gallery

For me, its a total “like” - women of all ages and cultural backgrounds under the original Great Artists at a time when women were predominantly not just the muse or object of art, but beauty defined as young.

My big grump is of course the London-centric placing- I hope tho to find more close ups of the panels.

My other big grump of course is that Emin drew on the work of some of us producing alternative and controversial images of women in the 1970’s that didn’t match the stereotypes but she hasn’t ever acknowledged this body of work - but things are what they are and glad to see this work, and anyway artists have always drawn on a history of art and worked within it.

Pix - official opening of new gallery
Pix by Kathy Kollwitz
1970's by Judy Chicago

Wyllow3 Sat 24-Jun-23 19:59:18

(sorry for repeats - can't edit out!)

Jaxjacky Sat 24-Jun-23 21:05:51

Here’s one close up Wyllow3 I like them especially if you see the surrounding architecture of the building.

Jaxjacky Sat 24-Jun-23 21:06:38

Pictures

Jaxjacky Sat 24-Jun-23 21:07:06

Close up.

Riverwalk Sat 24-Jun-23 21:13:45

My big grump is of course the London-centric placing- I hope tho to find more close ups of the panels.

Well that is unavoidable as the building is in London! I visited the gallery yesterday and posted some close-up of the doors on the Photographs 2023 thread.

Those other works that you posted Whyllow are not by Emin.

hollysteers Sat 24-Jun-23 21:31:37

Very poor work indeed. A far cry from the bronze doors in Florence🙄

welbeck Sat 24-Jun-23 21:34:01

i think that's her point, that she drew inspiration or was influenced by other artists.
which i would have thought is inevitable, in every age.
as for the doors being London centric, maybe after a year or two they could be taken on a round britain tour to provincial galleries.
maybe some amateurs or unknowns could do some doodlings on temporary doors at NPG.

Riverwalk Sat 24-Jun-23 21:42:34

Here are two photos I took yesterday, plus one with Emin taken from the internet

Wyllow3 Sat 24-Jun-23 21:51:33

Quality of concept - brilliant. And I value that.

But I'd prefer a quality of drawing to the standard of for example Kathe Kollwitz as in the O/P picture of the KK self portrait I posted.

Allsorts Sat 24-Jun-23 21:58:15

Embarrassingly awful. Why on earth was she chosen?

Wyllow3 Sat 24-Jun-23 22:09:10

Her record in the field is outstanding but she is not a specialist graphic artist Allsorts

MrsNemo Sat 24-Jun-23 22:11:36

They are not really appropriate - all a matter of taste, but it's not mine. Tracey Emin has ideas. which can then be executed by others, like her unmade bed. The faces here look just like the class tea towels I have at Christmas from my GC.

Wyllow3 Sat 24-Jun-23 22:17:01

How much one wants as it were photographic precision's not necessarily the most important thing. Whether they are expressively powerful could be just as an important factor, and one would have to be there to feel that sort of impact.

I would just personally have liked her to work into more precise detail on each one for that place.

(They weren't taken from life, but from imagination)

Wyllow3 Sat 24-Jun-23 22:23:29

A lot of artists work is executed by others and always has been, or in conjunction with.

Emin has a huge variety of work, maybe look further than the bed?

It's interesting to view her work generally. It's very women orientated and expressive as regards an inner world but if you prefer exact representation look elsewhere.

My feelings about the doors and more detail is because of where they are and there lasting significance.

welbeck Sat 24-Jun-23 22:24:27

i like them, glad she did them.
i find her interesting, and quite admirable, brave.
she has been upbeat about everything despite her illness.
she is very deep, spiritual, and positive about life.
which i find encouraging.

Lovetopaint037 Sat 24-Jun-23 22:38:20

Can’t believe she was commissioned for anything as important. I am definitely not a fan of her work and held my hands up in despair when she was made professor of drawing at the RA.

Wyllow3 Sat 24-Jun-23 22:41:24

It's interesting looking at the whole body of her work because a lot of it could have been done in an art therapy session. Almost deliberately "naive". By choice.

The point is she had the courage to put it out there, and it does for many what welbeck says.

In some ways it's deliberately rough edged, as life and feelings are.

But we all have things we like or not. Or prefer craft based work to ideas based work.

Callistemon21 Sat 24-Jun-23 22:42:32

MrsNemo

They are not really appropriate - all a matter of taste, but it's not mine. Tracey Emin has ideas. which can then be executed by others, like her unmade bed. The faces here look just like the class tea towels I have at Christmas from my GC.

I have a cotton bag with a self-portrait by a 6 year old DGD on it which is rather good.

Wyllow3 Sat 24-Jun-23 22:56:19

I always think they should take children's art more seriously,

Such wonderful perceptions before worry about it looking correctly representational comes in. Wonderful shows.

But then one could say, that an artist who can reach into that part of themselves can have value. On thing about Emin is that she has of course always been aware of the criticisms (and has a higher craft skills level than many of her works show) but persisted in following her own path.

eazybee Sun 25-Jun-23 08:13:19

'this once unloved London landmark '

Says who?

Freya5 Sun 25-Jun-23 08:38:10

How was it unloved. A beautiful building, amongst the many carbuncles that sit around London.
"Stony faced men" is this because the building was built by them, or because they paid for it or just a little misandry.

sassysaysso Sun 25-Jun-23 08:46:39

I love them, they convey more emotion and personality in their “unfinished”state than refined and detailed portraits from earlier times, a reflection that women are now able to give voice to their feelings rather than idealised representations seen through “the male gaze”. They are extremely suitable as representations of 21st century art for London and in keeping with the aims of the gallery.

Emin herself says: “Women in history are greatly underrepresented. I didn’t want to depict specific or identifiable figures. I felt like the doors of the National Portrait Gallery should represent every woman, every age and every culture throughout time. I used my self as a mental template, but the end result is many different women, some that exist in my mind and some that perhaps exist in reality here and now, as well as from the past. And with all terms of art, it’s up to the viewer to discern what they feel and what they see or who they see for that matter. I want people to stand in-front of the doors and say, ‘she looks like my mother, she looks like my best friend, my daughter.’”

www.designboom.com/art/tracey-emin-45-women-portraits-london-national-portrait-gallery-new-bronze-doors-06-19-2023/

And the original artwork

FarNorth Sun 25-Jun-23 08:47:09

Children have a lack of dexterity as well as lack of worry.
I don't expect all art to look like a photograph but the title of this thread is "Like this work by Tracy Emin?" and my answer is No, not much.

FannyCornforth Sun 25-Jun-23 10:33:53

Wyllow3

Her record in the field is outstanding but she is not a specialist graphic artist Allsorts

Emin was Professor of Drawing at the Royal Academy for two years, which is rich as she can’t draw for toffee.
Her BA is Printmaking and MA is Painting