Like this work by Tracy Emin?

I see that we speak as one Lovetopaint 😉

I love her distinctive life drawings, but don't find I like this particlar piece of work.. I do like her though

They look like preliminary sketches.

Not my cup of tea.

A touch of The Emperor’s New Clothes. I bet she can’t believe she’s got away with this for years.

Pix by Kathy Kollwitz ?????

This seems an incredible trivialising of the work of one of the most significant women artists of the early 20th century - Käthe Kollwitz
It’s like saying Pix by Lenny da Vinci or Mike Angelo.
(Did you mean The Dinner Party by Judy Chicago? )

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202306/medium-88135-ba7b64f3-65f4-450b-8736-445d136a8371.jpeg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202306/medium-315605-17511e96-ac31-4dcd-9c67-c31d3c0972e2.jpeg

I don’t see how any of us on GN are qualified to say Emin “can’t draw for toffee”.
Do you?

FannyCornforth

Wyllow3

Her record in the field is outstanding but she is not a specialist graphic artist Allsorts

Emin was Professor of Drawing at the Royal Academy for two years, which is rich as she can’t draw for toffee.
Her BA is Printmaking and MA is Painting

I was at an Art Uni course part time degree in the 1990's. There was a split in the painting department - the very head of painting was very conceptually based, and didn't encourage those who just wanted to paint. As far as he was concerned, photographic accuracy was dead. But also some tutors who ran life drawing etc which I took advantage of as an option.

Only a few Universities now offer traditional drawing and painting options. But thats partly because of funding - art isn't regarded as sufficiently vocational or useful to have hung onto properly staffed departments and very time intensive teaching.

But of course, up and down the country are all kinds of groups teaching and enjoying making representational work. Also groups for painting expressively, not worrying about "getting it right".

But it's worth asking, "what exactly is "getting it right?" Is it exactness, or producing something that has the power to "move" emotionally.

So it comes as no surprise to know what Emin's BA was named nor what she became. As far as I know, she was supportive of students who wanted to take a traditional route. The RA annual show is a mixture, each year.

But conceptual art has been kicking around since the early 1900's as a continuing thread leading to the ongoing debate "what is art, what is its function".

Now I enjoy both sorts of work - lovely landscapes, portraits, still life, but also powerfully expressed visual ideas that may appear "naive" but carry the weight of powerful emotions or ideas. Emin has led a life of work concentrating on the latter, and I enjoy it as such.

What I choose to have up on the walls in my house generally is different from art that is challenging. I think people like Emin who have the courage to put their emotions right out there are very brave.

Well, seeing that it was me who said it.
Yes, I can.
I can honestly draw better than that.

FannyCornforth

Well, seeing that it was me who said it.
Yes, I can.
I can honestly draw better than that.

That was to Foxygloves.

And I’m sure that others on here can too.

I bet you don't like Maggi Hambling's nudes and drawings either..

FannyCornforth

Well, seeing that it was me who said it.
Yes, I can.
I can honestly draw better than that.

Oh, Fanny I'm surprised to see you say that - seems so reactionary!

I'm sure Tracey Emin could make those drawings more conventional to keep the critics at bay, if she wanted to, but they wouldn't be true.

I find them indicative of what she's trying to say, and the drawings are basically of herself... as is most of her work.

Maggi Hambling is certainly an interesting person to look at in this respect, as she is superb graphic artist but doesn't always make the choice to use those especial skills when she wants to evoke our feelings:

page of samples
www.google.com/search?q=maggi+hambling+nudes&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&sxsrf=APwXEdf2CXsVQYDBajtL91WJqTHp4whPMw:1687700922609&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiEqervx97_AhXHgP0HHZDQDX8Q0pQJegQIDRAE&biw=1369&bih=928&dpr=2#imgrc=UamHP-9ihNa8IM

Oh dear FannyC - why don’t you then?
Is this your sort of gallery?

I've always wondered about how people relate to the pretty conceptual work Edvard Munch's "the scream" which is old in pretty high regard in the traditional art world. I have just idly googled and no surprise to find Emin's interest in his work. There's quite a bit of Emin's drawings in here.

www.royalacademy.org.uk/article/10-works-grief-loneliness-tracey-emin-edvard-munch

I was at the NPG last week for the members preview. I have to say I didn’t really notice T Emin’s doors! I have never valued her as an artist apart from that fluorescent light tube thing at St Pancras. Some of her drawings were for sale at the RA’s Summer Exhibition… I don’t think she can draw either and I don’t believe there are any hidden meanings to her work.

I can’t understand why she was chosen. I do like some of her work but not this. We have a wealth of wonderful portrait artists in this country that could have done some fantastic work on this. I think the doors are awful.

Foxygloves

I don’t see how any of us on GN are qualified to say Emin “can’t draw for toffee”.
Do you?

😂 👏👏

I think we can all agree to disagree, can't we?

Our ideas of art may differ and I can't say I'm keen on Emin's work.

Okay, can you stop being nasty to me please?
I am actually quite accomplished and educated in a couple of areas, something that gives me strength and self confidence at a time while my life is less than satisfactory.
To say the very least.
You’ve actually made me cry, I won’t lie

Foxygloves

Pix by Kathy Kollwitz ?????

This seems an incredible trivialising of the work of one of the most significant women artists of the early 20th century - Käthe Kollwitz
It’s like saying Pix by Lenny da Vinci or Mike Angelo.
(Did you mean The Dinner Party by Judy Chicago? )

In the O/P I was grumbling that Emin didn't seem to give credit to the many women like Kollwitz who sought to portray women differently from the conventions who strode magnificently through the century - but were forgotten.

I'm not sure how many people will have heard of Judy Chicago (yes, it is the "Dinner Party") either and work of her contemporaries.

Far from trivialising, I love and respect their work but most faded from recognition.

Callistemon21

MrsNemo

They are not really appropriate - all a matter of taste, but it's not mine. Tracey Emin has ideas. which can then be executed by others, like her unmade bed. The faces here look just like the class tea towels I have at Christmas from my GC.

I have a cotton bag with a self-portrait by a 6 year old DGD on it which is rather good.

Same here Callistemon, my GSs Christmas tea towel is inspirational.
My own DD as a student in halls could do a better untidy bed than Emin her plus point was a poster of Russel Crowe as Gladiator above for when partners were boring.
She beat Damian Hurst with his dissected-out person for her A levels and even used the same dissection game as her inspiration plus an old textbook of her fathers.
Is she using her skills now of course not she is bogged down in a boring job. Some of us just never get the break. Your grandchild has time yet.

To be fair to Tracey Emin, her brief was to produce sketches for the doors - how can she give credit or pay homage to past women artists?

Do men do such a thing?

She's responsible for her own art, not others.

That was to Wyllow