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Like this work by Tracy Emin?

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Wyllow3 Sat 24-Jun-23 19:58:30

Doors of the re-vamped national Portrait Gallery.

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/jun/21/doors-tracey-emin-national-portrait-gallerys-41m-rebirth

Pix and comments on changes in the National Portrait Gallery.

Slashed stone, daylight galore and doors by Tracey Emin: the National Portrait Gallery’s £41m rebirth
Forty-five faces of women, scribbled by Emin, now beam out from bronze doors – all part of an astonishing revamp that has turned this once unloved London landmark into a great building

“‘A foil to the row of 14 white male painters who look down, stony-faced, from above’ … Emin’s doors featuring 45 portraits that ‘represent every woman’
National Portrait Gallery

For me, its a total “like” - women of all ages and cultural backgrounds under the original Great Artists at a time when women were predominantly not just the muse or object of art, but beauty defined as young.

My big grump is of course the London-centric placing- I hope tho to find more close ups of the panels.

My other big grump of course is that Emin drew on the work of some of us producing alternative and controversial images of women in the 1970’s that didn’t match the stereotypes but she hasn’t ever acknowledged this body of work - nor the work of women like Käthe Kollwitz earlier in the century - but things are what they are and glad to see this work, and anyway artists have always drawn on a history of art and worked within it.

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/jun/21/doors-tracey-emin-national-portrait-gallerys-41m-rebirth

Pix and comments on changes in the National Portrait Gallery.

Slashed stone, daylight galore and doors by Tracey Emin: the National Portrait Gallery’s £41m rebirth
Forty-five faces of women, scribbled by Emin, now beam out from bronze doors – all part of an astonishing revamp that has turned this once unloved London landmark into a great building

“‘A foil to the row of 14 white male painters who look down, stony-faced, from above’ … Emin’s doors featuring 45 portraits that ‘represent every woman’
National Portrait Gallery

For me, its a total “like” - women of all ages and cultural backgrounds under the original Great Artists at a time when women were predominantly not just the muse or object of art, but beauty defined as young.

My big grump is of course the London-centric placing- I hope tho to find more close ups of the panels.

My other big grump of course is that Emin drew on the work of some of us producing alternative and controversial images of women in the 1970’s that didn’t match the stereotypes but she hasn’t ever acknowledged this body of work - but things are what they are and glad to see this work, and anyway artists have always drawn on a history of art and worked within it.

Pix - official opening of new gallery
Pix by Kathy Kollwitz
1970's by Judy Chicago

Bella23 Sun 25-Jun-23 17:34:00

Foxygloves

Oh dear FannyC - why don’t you then?
Is this your sort of gallery?

Why pick on Fanny when a lot of us feel the same I was in a gallery in Leeds a few years ago with a friend . We were trying hard to understand what it was all about when my friend tried to switch a light on the switch was one of the installations!!!
Don't accuse me of not appreciating unusual artists my house has quite a few original Percy Kellys and a drawing by Lowrie of my own town.

Wyllow3 Sun 25-Jun-23 17:47:22

Riverwalk

To be fair to Tracey Emin, her brief was to produce sketches for the doors - how can she give credit or pay homage to past women artists?

Do men do such a thing?

She's responsible for her own art, not others.

Many artists when asked will refer to others who have inspired them and which aspects have they learnt from, or whose work they have referenced. Not all.

When art is written up as art history the referencing is sometimes also done. but women's work often "disappeared" from the older Art History tomes.

It was a personal wish that Emin recognised her "fore-mothers" really, as she largely hasn't.

Foxygloves Sun 25-Jun-23 17:59:35

Not picking on anybody!
Apologies if my SOH is not shared - I like it anyway.

FannyCornforth Sun 25-Jun-23 18:07:48

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Hetty58 Sun 25-Jun-23 18:21:20

No - I don't like them. It seems like vandalism to rather nice doors. I'd like them expertly carved with precise geometric patterns. The faces could be somewhere else - on paper, pottery, fabric - but not on those doors.

Bella23 Sun 25-Jun-23 18:41:25

Riverwalk

To be fair to Tracey Emin, her brief was to produce sketches for the doors - how can she give credit or pay homage to past women artists?

Do men do such a thing?

She's responsible for her own art, not others.

If she couldn't and knew she couldn't execute the brief she should have turned it down. She might be responsible for her own art but being responsible is knowing and acknowledging your weaknesses as well as strengths.

Callistemon21 Sun 25-Jun-23 18:58:58

Same here Callistemon, my GSs Christmas tea towel is inspirational

That reminded me - DD's primary school class had a tea towel printed with all their self portraits in Y6. That was a few years ago! I can't remember what I did with it.

Wyllow3 Sun 25-Jun-23 19:23:19

I think she has executed the brief and particularly having women's images below the "great men" enshrined in stone above the door. In terms of "liking" the execution of it I'd have to encounter it in person, really.

Photographs dont give a sense of what it's like to actually be there. We can look at the detail but actually standing there in front of them isn't the same.

I just wish she had worked into more detail on the images - she could have collaborated on this. Because this was a more formal project than her ongoing drawing work, which is very much "expression of the moment".

hollysteers Sun 25-Jun-23 22:27:03

I really like modern art and Tracey Emin, but what a lost opportunity to celebrate women!
She could have shown women in each panel doing something valuable, doctors, nursing, mothers, scientists, authors, actors etc.etc.
Fail.

Wyllow3 Sun 25-Jun-23 22:33:30

Or clearer and more effective states of emotion and times of life and different cultural origins.

Because one of the big things about women in art history until is a lot of it is either young, nude, objects, beautiful or women as bad and transgressive. Or "native" and "oriental" "exotic"

sassysaysso Mon 26-Jun-23 05:48:26

hollysteers

I really like modern art and Tracey Emin, but what a lost opportunity to celebrate women!
She could have shown women in each panel doing something valuable, doctors, nursing, mothers, scientists, authors, actors etc.etc.
Fail.

That would have needed the work of another more conventional and less radical artist than Emin. To my mind, Emin’s work celebrates the essence of womanhood, in both its shared experience and its diversity, not by the careers that may define them.

RosesandLilac Mon 26-Jun-23 06:03:55

Lovetopaint037

Can’t believe she was commissioned for anything as important. I am definitely not a fan of her work and held my hands up in despair when she was made professor of drawing at the RA.

Nor me. I can’t see anything particularly special about her or her work.

BlueBelle Mon 26-Jun-23 07:51:48

No I don’t like them and I don’t think Tracy Emin is a brilliant artist I think she has belief and some kind of imagination but that is not right for that beautiful door
And yes I like a lot of modern art but it’s a classic looking building and looks totally out of place in my opinion it s more like scribbled graffiti

Esmay Mon 26-Jun-23 09:16:44

I have mixed feelings about Tracey Emin and her work .

In the past , I've found her rather obnoxious and frankly - her work gimmicky .

However , after her horrendous cancer diagnosis and treatment - I am full of admiration that she has been able to complete such a huge commission .

It looks good to me , but I reserve judgement until I see it up close .

Foxygloves Mon 26-Jun-23 09:36:18

That would have needed the work of another more conventional and less radical artist than Emin. To my mind, Emin’s work celebrates the essence of womanhood, in both its shared experience and its diversity, not by the careers that may define them

I’m also less happy about the idea that women’s careers somehow define them.
The self portrait by Käthe Kollwitz , her achingly beautiful Pietà (Dead mother and son) which must have reflected tens or hundreds of thousands of women like her whose sons had died in the First World War or her moving Mother and Newborn say much more about womanhood to me. I think Emin makes more than a nod in that direction by depicting “ordinary” women not the Great and the Good one expects to see at the NPG
Her work has been described as
a riposte to the roundels on the rest of the facade that are filled with age-old images of prominent men

hollysteers Mon 26-Jun-23 09:38:19

Foxygloves

I don’t see how any of us on GN are qualified to say Emin “can’t draw for toffee”.
Do you?

You don’t know any of our qualifications Foxygloves. That’s quite an assumption you have made there.
The birds are “OK” and nothing special.

Esmay Mon 26-Jun-23 10:14:14

Foxygloves -
Some of us have Art degrees and all of us whether qualified or not are entitled to an opinion .

Foxygloves Mon 26-Jun-23 10:27:27

Esmay

Foxygloves -
Some of us have Art degrees and all of us whether qualified or not are entitled to an opinion .

I didn’t expect anybody to interpret the word “qualifications “ literally !

Good grief!

hollysteers Mon 26-Jun-23 10:35:32

“Foxygloves* If you don’t expect us to take comments literally, don’t post.

Esmay Mon 26-Jun-23 10:44:38

Foxygloves :
Then don't write it !

It is offensive to those who don't have qualifications in Art .

I'm really glad that we have lots more art programmes on TV which encourage people to enjoy it -without any snobbery .
I've been encouraging friends to have a go at painting and drawing.
They liked it at school but didn't go to art school - and longed to .

I notice that they are all terrified of expressing an opinion about art
because they aren't qualified .

Foxygloves Mon 26-Jun-23 10:44:45

hollysteers

“Foxygloves* If you don’t expect us to take comments literally, don’t post.

Don’t post

Am I expected to take that literally?
👮‍♀️👮thread police or what?

Riverwalk Mon 26-Jun-23 11:21:53

For those who like them here are a few more

BlueBelle Mon 26-Jun-23 11:28:30

I ve definitely seen better graffiti no they are not good in my opinion not something I d want to visit and pay attention too

pascal30 Mon 26-Jun-23 11:35:26

I do have art qualifications but it is still always my personal opinion as to whether a piece resonates with me.. and that is largely based on having looked at a lot of artwork.. and having spent time making art and working in MH.. both strong influences..
everyone else's opinion is equally valid because that will also be based on how they look at things and their life experiences .thank goodness we are all different and have varying responses.. That's one reason I think Grayson Perry is so popular..he is so inclusive

Esmay Mon 26-Jun-23 11:42:28

pascal30 -
I think that Grayson Perry is great - so encouraging .