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Like this work by Tracy Emin?

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Wyllow3 Sat 24-Jun-23 19:58:30

Doors of the re-vamped national Portrait Gallery.

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/jun/21/doors-tracey-emin-national-portrait-gallerys-41m-rebirth

Pix and comments on changes in the National Portrait Gallery.

Slashed stone, daylight galore and doors by Tracey Emin: the National Portrait Gallery’s £41m rebirth
Forty-five faces of women, scribbled by Emin, now beam out from bronze doors – all part of an astonishing revamp that has turned this once unloved London landmark into a great building

“‘A foil to the row of 14 white male painters who look down, stony-faced, from above’ … Emin’s doors featuring 45 portraits that ‘represent every woman’
National Portrait Gallery

For me, its a total “like” - women of all ages and cultural backgrounds under the original Great Artists at a time when women were predominantly not just the muse or object of art, but beauty defined as young.

My big grump is of course the London-centric placing- I hope tho to find more close ups of the panels.

My other big grump of course is that Emin drew on the work of some of us producing alternative and controversial images of women in the 1970’s that didn’t match the stereotypes but she hasn’t ever acknowledged this body of work - nor the work of women like Käthe Kollwitz earlier in the century - but things are what they are and glad to see this work, and anyway artists have always drawn on a history of art and worked within it.

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/jun/21/doors-tracey-emin-national-portrait-gallerys-41m-rebirth

Pix and comments on changes in the National Portrait Gallery.

Slashed stone, daylight galore and doors by Tracey Emin: the National Portrait Gallery’s £41m rebirth
Forty-five faces of women, scribbled by Emin, now beam out from bronze doors – all part of an astonishing revamp that has turned this once unloved London landmark into a great building

“‘A foil to the row of 14 white male painters who look down, stony-faced, from above’ … Emin’s doors featuring 45 portraits that ‘represent every woman’
National Portrait Gallery

For me, its a total “like” - women of all ages and cultural backgrounds under the original Great Artists at a time when women were predominantly not just the muse or object of art, but beauty defined as young.

My big grump is of course the London-centric placing- I hope tho to find more close ups of the panels.

My other big grump of course is that Emin drew on the work of some of us producing alternative and controversial images of women in the 1970’s that didn’t match the stereotypes but she hasn’t ever acknowledged this body of work - but things are what they are and glad to see this work, and anyway artists have always drawn on a history of art and worked within it.

Pix - official opening of new gallery
Pix by Kathy Kollwitz
1970's by Judy Chicago

BlueBelle Mon 26-Jun-23 07:51:48

No I don’t like them and I don’t think Tracy Emin is a brilliant artist I think she has belief and some kind of imagination but that is not right for that beautiful door
And yes I like a lot of modern art but it’s a classic looking building and looks totally out of place in my opinion it s more like scribbled graffiti

RosesandLilac Mon 26-Jun-23 06:03:55

Lovetopaint037

Can’t believe she was commissioned for anything as important. I am definitely not a fan of her work and held my hands up in despair when she was made professor of drawing at the RA.

Nor me. I can’t see anything particularly special about her or her work.

sassysaysso Mon 26-Jun-23 05:48:26

hollysteers

I really like modern art and Tracey Emin, but what a lost opportunity to celebrate women!
She could have shown women in each panel doing something valuable, doctors, nursing, mothers, scientists, authors, actors etc.etc.
Fail.

That would have needed the work of another more conventional and less radical artist than Emin. To my mind, Emin’s work celebrates the essence of womanhood, in both its shared experience and its diversity, not by the careers that may define them.

Wyllow3 Sun 25-Jun-23 22:33:30

Or clearer and more effective states of emotion and times of life and different cultural origins.

Because one of the big things about women in art history until is a lot of it is either young, nude, objects, beautiful or women as bad and transgressive. Or "native" and "oriental" "exotic"

hollysteers Sun 25-Jun-23 22:27:03

I really like modern art and Tracey Emin, but what a lost opportunity to celebrate women!
She could have shown women in each panel doing something valuable, doctors, nursing, mothers, scientists, authors, actors etc.etc.
Fail.

Wyllow3 Sun 25-Jun-23 19:23:19

I think she has executed the brief and particularly having women's images below the "great men" enshrined in stone above the door. In terms of "liking" the execution of it I'd have to encounter it in person, really.

Photographs dont give a sense of what it's like to actually be there. We can look at the detail but actually standing there in front of them isn't the same.

I just wish she had worked into more detail on the images - she could have collaborated on this. Because this was a more formal project than her ongoing drawing work, which is very much "expression of the moment".

Callistemon21 Sun 25-Jun-23 18:58:58

Same here Callistemon, my GSs Christmas tea towel is inspirational

That reminded me - DD's primary school class had a tea towel printed with all their self portraits in Y6. That was a few years ago! I can't remember what I did with it.

Bella23 Sun 25-Jun-23 18:41:25

Riverwalk

To be fair to Tracey Emin, her brief was to produce sketches for the doors - how can she give credit or pay homage to past women artists?

Do men do such a thing?

She's responsible for her own art, not others.

If she couldn't and knew she couldn't execute the brief she should have turned it down. She might be responsible for her own art but being responsible is knowing and acknowledging your weaknesses as well as strengths.

Hetty58 Sun 25-Jun-23 18:21:20

No - I don't like them. It seems like vandalism to rather nice doors. I'd like them expertly carved with precise geometric patterns. The faces could be somewhere else - on paper, pottery, fabric - but not on those doors.

FannyCornforth Sun 25-Jun-23 18:07:48

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Foxygloves Sun 25-Jun-23 17:59:35

Not picking on anybody!
Apologies if my SOH is not shared - I like it anyway.

Wyllow3 Sun 25-Jun-23 17:47:22

Riverwalk

To be fair to Tracey Emin, her brief was to produce sketches for the doors - how can she give credit or pay homage to past women artists?

Do men do such a thing?

She's responsible for her own art, not others.

Many artists when asked will refer to others who have inspired them and which aspects have they learnt from, or whose work they have referenced. Not all.

When art is written up as art history the referencing is sometimes also done. but women's work often "disappeared" from the older Art History tomes.

It was a personal wish that Emin recognised her "fore-mothers" really, as she largely hasn't.

Bella23 Sun 25-Jun-23 17:34:00

Foxygloves

Oh dear FannyC - why don’t you then?
Is this your sort of gallery?

Why pick on Fanny when a lot of us feel the same I was in a gallery in Leeds a few years ago with a friend . We were trying hard to understand what it was all about when my friend tried to switch a light on the switch was one of the installations!!!
Don't accuse me of not appreciating unusual artists my house has quite a few original Percy Kellys and a drawing by Lowrie of my own town.

Riverwalk Sun 25-Jun-23 17:11:54

That was to Wyllow

Riverwalk Sun 25-Jun-23 17:10:05

To be fair to Tracey Emin, her brief was to produce sketches for the doors - how can she give credit or pay homage to past women artists?

Do men do such a thing?

She's responsible for her own art, not others.

Bella23 Sun 25-Jun-23 17:06:02

Callistemon21

MrsNemo

They are not really appropriate - all a matter of taste, but it's not mine. Tracey Emin has ideas. which can then be executed by others, like her unmade bed. The faces here look just like the class tea towels I have at Christmas from my GC.

I have a cotton bag with a self-portrait by a 6 year old DGD on it which is rather good.

Same here Callistemon, my GSs Christmas tea towel is inspirational.
My own DD as a student in halls could do a better untidy bed than Emin her plus point was a poster of Russel Crowe as Gladiator above for when partners were boring.
She beat Damian Hurst with his dissected-out person for her A levels and even used the same dissection game as her inspiration plus an old textbook of her fathers.
Is she using her skills now of course not she is bogged down in a boring job. Some of us just never get the break. Your grandchild has time yet.wink

Wyllow3 Sun 25-Jun-23 16:57:01

Foxygloves

Pix by Kathy Kollwitz ?????

This seems an incredible trivialising of the work of one of the most significant women artists of the early 20th century - Käthe Kollwitz
It’s like saying Pix by Lenny da Vinci or Mike Angelo.
(Did you mean The Dinner Party by Judy Chicago? )

In the O/P I was grumbling that Emin didn't seem to give credit to the many women like Kollwitz who sought to portray women differently from the conventions who strode magnificently through the century - but were forgotten.

I'm not sure how many people will have heard of Judy Chicago (yes, it is the "Dinner Party") either and work of her contemporaries.

Far from trivialising, I love and respect their work but most faded from recognition.

FannyCornforth Sun 25-Jun-23 15:59:44

Okay, can you stop being nasty to me please?
I am actually quite accomplished and educated in a couple of areas, something that gives me strength and self confidence at a time while my life is less than satisfactory.
To say the very least.
You’ve actually made me cry, I won’t lie

Callistemon21 Sun 25-Jun-23 15:12:34

I think we can all agree to disagree, can't we?

Our ideas of art may differ and I can't say I'm keen on Emin's work.

MerylStreep Sun 25-Jun-23 15:10:57

Foxygloves

I don’t see how any of us on GN are qualified to say Emin “can’t draw for toffee”.
Do you?

😂 👏👏

Gillycats Sun 25-Jun-23 15:08:25

I can’t understand why she was chosen. I do like some of her work but not this. We have a wealth of wonderful portrait artists in this country that could have done some fantastic work on this. I think the doors are awful.

Ladyleftfieldlover Sun 25-Jun-23 15:07:09

I was at the NPG last week for the members preview. I have to say I didn’t really notice T Emin’s doors! I have never valued her as an artist apart from that fluorescent light tube thing at St Pancras. Some of her drawings were for sale at the RA’s Summer Exhibition… I don’t think she can draw either and I don’t believe there are any hidden meanings to her work.

Wyllow3 Sun 25-Jun-23 14:58:43

I've always wondered about how people relate to the pretty conceptual work Edvard Munch's "the scream" which is old in pretty high regard in the traditional art world. I have just idly googled and no surprise to find Emin's interest in his work. There's quite a bit of Emin's drawings in here.

www.royalacademy.org.uk/article/10-works-grief-loneliness-tracey-emin-edvard-munch

Foxygloves Sun 25-Jun-23 14:57:17

Oh dear FannyC - why don’t you then?
Is this your sort of gallery?

Wyllow3 Sun 25-Jun-23 14:53:11

Maggi Hambling is certainly an interesting person to look at in this respect, as she is superb graphic artist but doesn't always make the choice to use those especial skills when she wants to evoke our feelings:

page of samples
www.google.com/search?q=maggi+hambling+nudes&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&sxsrf=APwXEdf2CXsVQYDBajtL91WJqTHp4whPMw:1687700922609&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiEqervx97_AhXHgP0HHZDQDX8Q0pQJegQIDRAE&biw=1369&bih=928&dpr=2#imgrc=UamHP-9ihNa8IM