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Iam64 Sun 27-Jul-14 17:10:22

I do hope you're wrong GrannyTwice, and that there is still hope. I don't disagree with your analysis, but surely there must be a way forward.

GrannyTwice Sun 27-Jul-14 17:06:14

Brenda - I absolutely agree. The Israeli government brooks no criticism and constantly plays the anti- Semitic card. And grannya - yes, the Israelis have been so successful in putting their side across that many people even think that the 'occupied territories' means occupied by the Palestinians. The Israeli government is a racist evil regime bankrolled by the USA and supported by Western governments. There is no hope

Iam64 Sun 27-Jul-14 17:04:54

The reason I mentioned anti semitism is that at many of the demonstrations taking place in Europe against the Israeli offensive, have footage of banners and chants which are deeply anti semitic. In a German city, there were evidently chants suggesting the gas chambers are brought back. I am as horrified as all right thinking folks about the devastation and death being wreaked on the Palestinians

Tegan Sun 27-Jul-14 17:00:09

The Jewish lobby in the USA gets even stronger in the run up to an election as well. The action of the Israelis in recent history must stand on it's own; any WWI anti Semitism shouldn't enter into the equation.

Brendawymms Sun 27-Jul-14 16:55:08

The Jewish lobby in the United States is extremely strong.
The Israeli government consider that they can do no wrong in, as they see it, defending their territory. They do not see the similarity between their behaviour and the behaviour during WWII of the government in Germany.
I have read quite a few comments in the last few days about the rise in anti Semitic comments and behaviour and the upset that this is causing people of the Jewish faith. Rightly or wrongly it appears to be viewed by some that any negative comment about the Israeli offensive in Gaza is seen as being anti Semitic.
To express an opinion in favour of the Palestinians and/or the plight of the people of Gaza is seen by some as anti Semitic.

Free speech where it applies to this issue seems paper thin.

Iam64 Sun 27-Jul-14 16:52:48

Yes, it's stating the obvious, but sometimes that is necessary. The last thing Europe and the rest of the world needs is an increase in anti semitism.

granjura Sun 27-Jul-14 16:21:24

Agreed, is is just as wrong to mistake Jews with Zionism, as Muslims with Islamism.

grannyactivist Sun 27-Jul-14 16:18:07

There are of course many Jewish organisations that are also advocating for peace. Jews for Justice and Jewish Voice for Peace.

grannyactivist Sun 27-Jul-14 16:12:02

It's sometimes difficult to 'see' things in the abstract so when I was discussing the Israel/Palestine conflict with my son today I asked him to read this first-hand account of Palestinian farmers and their fight to hold on to their land against Israeli incursions. He was quite familiar with the Israeli position, but quite shocked to read the 'other side' of the story.

Lilygran Sun 27-Jul-14 14:43:03

Ceasefire for 24 hours

annodomini Sun 27-Jul-14 14:29:53

This video has gone viral so the chances are that you have seen it already. It is heart-breaking.

petallus Sun 27-Jul-14 13:56:41

That's a very good question Riverwalk.

I suspect the answer is that no matter how many more Palestinians die, nothing significant will be done. Basically, we support the Israelis.

Riverwalk Sun 27-Jul-14 13:25:16

... will it take before the United Nations/international community actually does something?

Currently over a thousand dead, including many children, and rising.

We had a few measly words from Ban Ki Moon and that's about it.

Blair is partying; Clegg is waffling-on about Russia and the world cup, and Cameron, I've no idea what he's got to say.

If a thousand Israelis had been killed, WW3 would have broken out by now. angry