How many dead Palestinians ....

Galen yes it is from South Pacific..but sadly applicable to too many places

That article is a blatant piece of propaganda, with all the usual "triggers" to provoke outrage - forced child labour, wealthy Hamas leaders living, safe and sound, on the fat of the land, etc etc.

The US gives an estimated $3 billion a year to Israel, so I can't quite see why it would be an issue for Qatar to give aid to Hamas. As for Qatar funding extremists, this is true of many nations. The US has certainly been responsible for funding some very dodgy outfits and supporting some very unpleasant regimes.

The writer of the article isn't exactly a neutral bystander. Of course, every commentator has his/her own "take" on the Israel/Palestine issue and it is impossible to be entirely objective, and some commentators deliberately present a partisan account. But Israel has a very sophisticated PR machine, an example of which is the leaked "handbook" that instructs commentators how to use language and information to portray Israeli actions as being reasonable and proportionate.

Agreed. I was always fascinated by that song along with 'where have all the flowers gone?'
I used to feel sorry for Israel, but no longer. This is obscene now.
I too heard the interview with the pilot and it made me shiver.

Well, that cease fire didn't last long.
Are they in a duicide pact?

Suicide even

Penstemmon
''You've got to be taught, etc''
Thank you so ver much for reprising that lyric, penned by Oscar Hammerstein 2. South Pacific, whilst often seen as a ''Happy talk, keep talking happy talk, Happy Film'' was way ahead of time in analysis und declarations about interracial relationships, and community clashes manufactured by power seekers - often in the name of religion or some other hocus pocus - but about power, possessions, domination and control.
The Dutch Reform church in S Africa; the Baptists in southern US, Protestants in the ''Six counties''; Roman Catholic church in 1930s Germany; Zionists in Israel and illegally occupied and settled Palestine; ...

Hello, Galen
''Duicide''
The world has been there, and possibly still is, it was the nuclear M A D was not it?
It is said of Revolutions and wars such as this one, that they ''Eat their children''. When the Zionists have genocided the Palestinians they will turn on their own: Liberal and Leftist Jews; Israeli 'Arabs', and drive them out as they did to the Palestinians in 1948 ?

A tweet that says it how it is:

"@VincentFletcher: Remember when the IRA set off bombs in England and the English rained missiles down upon Irish schools and suburbs? Me neither."

#gaza

Hello, thatbags
Please explain, I really don't understand.
====
Allso Mr Fletcher is not ver good mit his history or geography :
Provisional IRA [ Provos ]
The mainland of Britain; England is part only off UK, no?
Irish, the Republic of Ireland, or the whole of the island of ireland, or ...
Thank you.

I think thatbags is referring to Israel's disproportionate response, LM

Ask Mr Fletcher to explain his references. It is his tweet, not Thatbags'

I wasn't agreeing with the article necessarily. It's just one of many. Thought some of it was interesting and I do like to keep an open mind about all of this dreadful mess. Propaganda is relevant in understanding how it is used in times such as these. I don't know what are lies and what are not.

Perhaps I should have put a disclaimed ... 'these are not my opinions'.

Message deleted by Gransnet for breaking our forum guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

*loving you don"t seem to post on other threads ???

Do they bore you ???

Like ffinn, I have had mixed feelings on the Israel/Gaza situation (for a long time). But that tweet added a perspective for me. It's still wrong of Hamas to send rockets into Israel, just as it's wrong for Israel not to be more discriminating in its response.

Another tweet that adds a perspective of sorts for me, but also uncertainty:

@REnlightenment: Just try and think what your "proportionate" response to underground terrorist tunnels would be #StandWithIsrael

So I watched C4 news again tonight- there was a little Gazan girl, probably my gs's age, injured - no one knows who she is, probably her family are dead. My heart strings are tugged when my dgs falls over and I am there to kiss it better - how can I not feel sick at heart for this little girl? I am beyond appalled at UK politicians - apart from a tiny few- not prepared to criticise the disproportionality of IsraeL's behaviour. I am beyond appalled at the Jewish community leaders in the UK who are saying nothing. I feel nothing about the WW1 commemorations at the moment when there is so much present day suffering in what us basically a deafening silence. I learned tonight the name of the captured Israeli soldier, I learned he had just become engaged and had lived in the UK - and no one can tell me the name of that little girl, alone and in pain.

They killed soldiers and collaborators, blew up trains, disrupted manufacturing and transport, communicated with the enemy, used false identification documents and harried town and city administrators. There were different groups with vastly different political views and ultimate aims. Who were they - French terrorists (aka resistance) or Greek terrorists (andartes) in the 1940s.

Another group of terrorists seeking autonomy and freedom blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem.

But then it's just a word...

Palestine/Israel - a mess now and has been for centuries. The UN established Israel in 1948 and should be taking a lead in trying to bring peace, instead of crying crocodile tears from the (relative) comfort of New York. In the meantime the atrocities being perpetrated by both sides will continue unabated until something really terrible happens which might bring these people to their senses. My old dad was a British soldier there in 1934 and used to tell us about the bad things that happened. Nothing much has changed except for the worse.

My late stepfather was in the King David Hotel when it was blown up. He hated serving in Palestine and did not support Zionism/Israel for the rest of his life.

My mother taught English and Music in a Jewish school in Aden which prepared children for life in Israel. I spent many happy days in that school which obviously influenced my feelings and support in later years.

It's hard to keep an open mind when there is so much suffering in Gaza.

My father was in Jerusalem when the King David was blown up. He was in the RAMC I wonder if they ever met

I wonder, Galen My stepfather was an army captain but I don't know much about his career as he didn't marry my mother until 1971 and by then we had all moved on from service life.

So was my father. They'd probably have met in the officers mess

Very likely, Galen. Small world in the armed forces. I used to be overjoyed when we moved to a new posting to find a friend from a couple of years back living next door.

A friend of mines daughter was born in Israel, nearly three months early on their way back to the UK some years ago. If they had been Jewish the child could have claimed Israeli nationality. As her parents were not Jewish she couldn't. Apparently you have to be Jewish, either born there or anywhere else, to be an Israeli national.
A child of Palestinian parents, even if born in Israel is Palestinian not Israeli. Very selective! I do not understand it myself..