How many dead Palestinians ....

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I wasn't agreeing with the article necessarily. It's just one of many. Thought some of it was interesting and I do like to keep an open mind about all of this dreadful mess. Propaganda is relevant in understanding how it is used in times such as these. I don't know what are lies and what are not.

Perhaps I should have put a disclaimed ... 'these are not my opinions'.

Ask Mr Fletcher to explain his references. It is his tweet, not Thatbags'

I think thatbags is referring to Israel's disproportionate response, LM

Hello, thatbags
Please explain, I really don't understand.
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Allso Mr Fletcher is not ver good mit his history or geography :
Provisional IRA [ Provos ]
The mainland of Britain; England is part only off UK, no?
Irish, the Republic of Ireland, or the whole of the island of ireland, or ...
Thank you.

A tweet that says it how it is:

"@VincentFletcher: Remember when the IRA set off bombs in England and the English rained missiles down upon Irish schools and suburbs? Me neither."

#gaza

Hello, Galen
''Duicide''
The world has been there, and possibly still is, it was the nuclear M A D was not it?
It is said of Revolutions and wars such as this one, that they ''Eat their children''. When the Zionists have genocided the Palestinians they will turn on their own: Liberal and Leftist Jews; Israeli 'Arabs', and drive them out as they did to the Palestinians in 1948 ?

Penstemmon
''You've got to be taught, etc''
Thank you so ver much for reprising that lyric, penned by Oscar Hammerstein 2. South Pacific, whilst often seen as a ''Happy talk, keep talking happy talk, Happy Film'' was way ahead of time in analysis und declarations about interracial relationships, and community clashes manufactured by power seekers - often in the name of religion or some other hocus pocus - but about power, possessions, domination and control.
The Dutch Reform church in S Africa; the Baptists in southern US, Protestants in the ''Six counties''; Roman Catholic church in 1930s Germany; Zionists in Israel and illegally occupied and settled Palestine; ...

Suicide even

Well, that cease fire didn't last long.
Are they in a duicide pact?

Agreed. I was always fascinated by that song along with 'where have all the flowers gone?'
I used to feel sorry for Israel, but no longer. This is obscene now.
I too heard the interview with the pilot and it made me shiver.

That article is a blatant piece of propaganda, with all the usual "triggers" to provoke outrage - forced child labour, wealthy Hamas leaders living, safe and sound, on the fat of the land, etc etc.

The US gives an estimated $3 billion a year to Israel, so I can't quite see why it would be an issue for Qatar to give aid to Hamas. As for Qatar funding extremists, this is true of many nations. The US has certainly been responsible for funding some very dodgy outfits and supporting some very unpleasant regimes.

The writer of the article isn't exactly a neutral bystander. Of course, every commentator has his/her own "take" on the Israel/Palestine issue and it is impossible to be entirely objective, and some commentators deliberately present a partisan account. But Israel has a very sophisticated PR machine, an example of which is the leaked "handbook" that instructs commentators how to use language and information to portray Israeli actions as being reasonable and proportionate.

Galen yes it is from South Pacific..but sadly applicable to too many places

South Pacific!

You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

Sadly, on both sides of this bloody situation, generations are being taught to hate.

Again from last night's BBC news: an Israeli bomber pilot was talking to the BBC correspondent and the conversation went thus (not word for word):

"Does it not worry you that you are killing innocent people down there?"
"No - we are offering all the medical help we can to people who are injured."
"But would it not be better not to injure them in the first place?"
"Oh - we have saved many people."
"How so?"
"Well, sometimes when it looks as if we might be about to hit a place where there are children, we move on, so we have saved those children."

Well - that's big of him. With this sort of twisted rationale, how on earth can this situation be solved?

It is in Israel's favour to demonise Hamas and its supporters. Too much propaganda.

I see that Israel is now saying it was not Hamas who killed the 3 Israeli teens . The crime that sparked this current crisis.

It also seems that Hamas were in talks to get to the negotiating table when the crime was committed. This gave Israel the 'excuse' to step up it's usual aggression towards ordinary citizens in its search for perpetrators. I think Israel knew this would provoke a reaction. Giving them 'carte blanche' to bomb Gaza.

Hello, ffinnochio
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''This [claims it] explains how HAMAS is financed ''
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Inspection elsewhere will show that the author says of herself :
* I write a personal weekly column and I’m one of the head commentators for the Israeli newspaper Maariv.
* I used to be one of the leading columnists and the chief editor of the daily magazine of the Israeli Business Newspaper, Globes.

That is an interesting link ffinochio

Interesting, ffinnochio and a very interesting link from that article to another on the border crossings to both Israel and Egypt.

This explains how HAMAS is financed

Real people; men, women, children and babies are dying on both sides. To see the devastation in Gaza at first hand was too much for one experienced UN worker. Ex-BBC correspondent Christopher Gunness broke down on camera after filming a news segment for Al Jazeera.
heavy.com/news/2014/07/watch-united-nations-unrwa-christopher-gunness-cries-on-tv-gaza/

Not if it kept walking all over your land and stopped you getting to the fresh water, food, healthcare & means of livlihood you wouldn't!

In which case I think I'd stop pricking the elephant.

Galen possibly the same place as the Israeli weapons..

I hae to think what would happen if the Palestinians had not formofdefenceat all.

What they do have is like a pin in the skin of an elephant.