What is a 'typical ' boy?

I know she was talking about an 11 year old, I have one of them at home and I see the pressure put on said 11 year olds to conform to the gender roles.

I have a grandson just the same, He is 18 and a lovely lad. He loves his computer and also has a part tine job at a local superstore.He is waiting for an exam result to see if he can join the RAF.He has never had a girlfriend and being Gay has never entered our heads.He is just quiet and shy.
I think it's terrible that this labelling of your grandson has ever even been thought of.
I have a brother( Who is now 78)who was quiet and shy and never had a girlfriend until he was in his twenties and he married her and had two children.

Being gay or lesbian doesn't mean no grandchildren. When my daughter came out as gay my initial fleeting thought was' no grandchildren' but times have moved on and she has wonderful twins, boy and girl aged nine conceived with IVF. At least now gay men and women can make their choices to have children or not.

This child is ten. Time for people.who.know him to mind their own business.

In the days when. I was a child they used to express their opinions in front of the children as if not there. I was criticised for being large. It has stayed with me all my life. Looking at the photos I was sturdy and tall and not as fat, as I thought I must be. I am 5' 8 1/2 ". You would have thought I was 8 ' at least.

Tell them to keep their opinions to themselves.

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Understanding a child is essential. If a boy of 10 realises he is different from most other boys (my nephew talked of knowing this quite young and certainly at primary school) and everyone else ignores this or negates it this only makes it harder for the child. As it is perfectly possible for any child to be gay (you can't make anyone gay!) it would be good to have open , general conversations as part of all the 'growing up' chats so that if a child is gay they feel safe and know that is is OK for them to 'come out'.
Also some comments on here imply that people think 'macho' men / boys who like rugby/football / sport are less likely to be gay. I do not think this is real life experience! Having several gay friends and acquaintances of both genders I know that, like straight people,gay people come in all shapes sizes, professions, class, religion, ethnicity etc. and have as many affectations or none as anyone else! I have met several 'camp' men and 'butch' women who are not gay. Let's avoid stereotypes and see people! However knowing (labelling) a child's needs or differences can help to make sure they are fully supported and well equipped to manage their "difference" positively as they grow up

My two youngest grandsons love/d playing with dolls, pushchairs, hovers and all the other 'female specific' toys. The older of the two played most of the time with his two female cousins who were more like sisters to him. He is a very artistic boy, loves drama, crafts and art but he also loves playing on his Xbox with other young lads. The youngest is only 16 months old and loves his 'baby'. I think you have to let children grow up to do what they enjoy, regardless of gender. As some have said, we don't bat an eye at 'tomboys' so why should gentler boys be considered 'gay'. Maybe one or both of them will be gay in the future, but we would still love them just as much.

I've known plenty of gay men and none of them were quiet! Quite the opposite actually, very noisy and attention seeking generally. My DS is quiet and used to be shy, but is definitely not gay. He has grown into himself as he got older and now is confident and assertive, but still quiet and likes to have time to himself. It take allsorts to make the world go round, it would be boring if we were all the same. Plus we change as we age, grow into different people again and again. I have anyway.

My deleted post was an explanation of my position and a response to the post criticising my earlier deleted post.
It would appear that I am not being allowed to defend my position.

I do not believe my post broke any guideline or was directed at any individual. GNHQ have given me no explanation.

I have requested the post be restored, and explanation, given or my account and all its posts be deleted.

I would be sorry to leave GN and my friends , but if i am not allowed to answer my critics that is totally unreasonable and not acceptable.

If this becomes my last post, farewell friends and good luck.

I read your post before it was deleted, and thought, "Good. That explains what you meant in the previous one, and puts your "attitude" into line with the one I had described in my post." It wasn't a tirade, it was a parallel account of how I skip the hot passion in novels and on TV. I don't rant about it and I don't condemn the lovers - I just ignore it as none of my business.

When I looked back later, your recent post was gone too. My post is still there. I tried to report it to HQ, asking why the two posts with the same reaction to different orientations received different treatment, but it failed to send - my computer then seized up and I was then unable to type anything at all! Is Big Brother controlling our every action?

Don't leave GN, G&T A sprinkle of salt is needed to bring out the flavour of a meal and GN could get insipid without you. The laws are rightly there to protect homosexuals from abuse, they are not there to subject people to intolerance and silence their self-defence.

He sounds just like my son was when he was young. All his friends were very nerdy and into computers. None had girl friends until in their late teens. All married or with long term girlfriends now and in their mid thirties.

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well said Elegran!

have to say I dont understand why some posts get deleted yet others with the same content still remain!

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no doubt because someone took the post the wrong way! Like you presuming something which isnt there!
Ive had posts deleted and when questioning hq all you get is that it goes against their guidelines with no explanation!

dickie THAT is why the post enlarging on what he said should have stayed, and why the first one should never have been deleted. If a post is deleted it always looks as though it were a vicious attack. If it wasn't, then that poster is labelled forever.

If I were to post that I dislike seeing young people occupied in sexual activity on the street, would that be deleted? No.

I did say that I don't read the hot sexy passages added to novels to sell more copies - not because I disapprove of anyone having sex but because I don't care about reading the details. Was that deleted? No. If it had been, you would have posted "If it was innocent, why was it deleted? It must have been abusive."

Reputations are destroyed as easily as that.

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Elegran, homosexual people are persecuted because of their sexuality in a way that heterosexual people are not. Its the same as sexism, you cannot compare sexism towards men and women in the same light. Also racism is not the same if it is directed at a white person. This video explains it well.

Kids come in all shapes sizes orientation leave them all alone to find their own feet I have a 15 year old grandson who is very physical totally blokey into sport always got a harem of girls around him but he s so comfortable in his own skin he's the boy that doesn't care about borrowing his sisters pink surfboard doesn't care if someone wants to paint his nails or put his hair up in a ponytail is comfortable brushing the girls hair when they come out of the sea His sister is entirely opposite is quiet and shy and gets embarrassed about everything she ll never make the first move, they will both find their levels as they progress in life he will settle down she will rev up I m sure just got to let them find their niche

Maybe another reason is that there are probably several people on here with a gay person in the family, who are very sensitive about the subject.

When you have a gay family member you see the prejudice thrown at them, both intended and casual homophobia. It doesn't make you sensitive but it does make you aware.

Single mothers were once "fallen women", but single fathers were just sowing their wild oats. Men who frequented brothels were fulfilling a basic urge, while the women who serviced them were sluts. Things gradually change but many people still find these situations uncomfortable.

Men-on-men and women-on-women sex has to go through the same journey as women's sexuality has. There will be real equality, yes, but you don't get that by condemning those who honestly admit that they are not quite comfortable with it yet - without being abusive. That is abusive of yet another group of people.

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He sounds a lovely little boy. Labels are my biggest bugbear, no one has the right to "put people in boxes".