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Arianna Tue 20-Sept-16 18:01:28

Please help, I know I will probably get a roasting from devoted Grandmother's but I need real advice because I'm at my wit's end.
I have 3 grandchildren let's refer to them as J, O and M, 2 boys J and O and a girl M.
My DH and I had 6 boys of our own, they were such good kids, if we took them places they behaved so well. When I look back I think just how lucky we were.
Now I will tell you about my problem.
Every visit from my grandchildren is becoming a nightmare.
The first thing they do is run into the hose, screaming and laughing, that's not unusual you might think, they are excited and pleased to see us but the running around and screaming don't stop for the whole 3-4 hrs they stay, I hardly have chance to talk to them.
I catch hold of their arms they look at me as though they have been traped, I ask hey J come tell Nanna how school was today. J looks at his arms, tears himself from me and runs of.
I then go after him, he runs back into the living room. I say tell me about the story teacher told you today. J looks, he says bananas, I say oh yummy I love bananas especially in a sandwich, he then says to me banana and poo, I say no bananas is nice on its own. J runs of shouting poooo. Now his sister M is running back and forth during this time, screaming, jumping on to the sofa, kicking her feet and knocking over photos I have of them. I say oh be careful we don't want to break your lovely photo you gave me. She turns around and says, poo, she comes to me and she says your bum smells like poo. Her mother just says oh M she's no lady is she and just laughs, all this time DIL just sits on the sofa, telling my son to see where they are.
That's another thing that amazes me, my son who was so sensible has in my opinion been abducted by aliens ( his wife's family) and had his memory totally wiped because everything we taught him has just gone out of the window, his wife and her mum, who I think I should add was a midwife has him totally under their thumb. Oh by the way would a midwife encourage her daughter not to sterilise a new baby's bottles and feed him a full cooked Christmas dinner at just barely 2 months old. Later he had terrible tummy and bowl problems, the doctor thought he was intolerant to lactose but I knew the problem was the way he'd been force fed. Even her mum told her not to tell the health visitor she was feeding him solid foods. I tried to advise but i got, "Oh my mum's a retired midwife so........." yes I'm afraid my advice went in one ear out the other, even though I had 6 very healthy boys.
So back to the mad episode.
Now while J and M are running riot I have the third one O who has a soaking wet nappie that has leaked out on to his trousers and they forgot to bring extra nappies so I go and find an old town and say you can use this to put on him for now, it's old so you can chuck it when you get home. (mentally making a note to buy some nappies just incase this happens again)., well O is absolutely going crazy, starting to bash the radiator with his toy robot, my DH stops him straight away, he now turns around and starts hitting the table I have my glasses on, I grab the robot quick, O screams and we are in a tug of war, I say careful your going to break your robot, he just screams and shouts my robot.
I say stop pulling and I will let go, if you keep pulling you will fall and hurt yourself. I let go he falls, now he jumps up and runs to his mother, looking at me like I'm an ogre.
Meanwhile the other two are running around back and forth the kitchen, I bring them back to the living room and shut the door, they run to open it, I say 'no' they catch hold of the handle and start kicking the door. In all this time their mother just says oh M oh J oh O, she don't get of her bottom to stop them, I stop them and she looks at me like I'm a fussy old spoilsport.
This happens every birthday, holiday, Christmas, anniversary. It is making special days a nightmare.
We used to go down to their house to visit, it was always a strain, there was always toys, dirty nappies, dirty pants, blankets all on the floor, you had to step over everything to get to a chair, I would start picking up everything, my DIL would look like oh my god what is she doing.
When we were visiting it was much easier, I had control on how long we stayed, which was about 1 hr because it's about all I could bear especially when M whispered in my ear "I want you to go home now", the reason being they wanted to watch TV but couldn't because we were there.
Now as my DIL recently passed her driving test, they now come up and visit us and they stay for hours, in fact I have to say, I think the little ones are getting tired, my son takes the hint and says right everyone get your shoes on. Now it's a fight to make them sit and put their shoes on.
Meanwhile, I see my DIL sitting on the hall radiator while she puts her shoes on, I am lost for words, she is about 12 st, the radiator grill is bending under her weight.
They go outside, J starts kicking the porch wall, he then gets put in the car, now M is in the car screaming, O still has his wet his trousers on, now the child car seat is all wet.
They go, we wave, smiling, we go into the house, I cry.
This happens on every visit, it's becoming a nightmare. If only they talked to us, played with toys nicely or sat and read a book with us I would be happy.
This is a time when we should be enjoying our grandchildren, but they are so rude and hyped up every time. We can't enjoy their visits. Before you say it's sugar, they dont have sweets for that purpose but it's not made any difference.
Please help, are we just terrible grandparents feeling this way? I'm at my wit's end.

Battersea1971 Wed 21-Sept-16 17:11:04

I have four small grandchildren so understand where you are coming from. Mine are now getting older and all at school. We found it easier to have the children on their own without the parents and take them out to swings or soft play where they can get rid of their energy. They sound quite young and probably get bored. You set your own ground rules and they soon realise what is acceptable. Also have toys in the house for them. Scout out in the chRity shops and you can pick up toys and games quite cheap. They do calm down as they get older, you may find they are never that interested in talking to you, they have their iPads tv etc so are usually glued to those. If they were rude to me, they would be told in no uncertain terms that they may speak to their friends like that but not to me. You can understand little kids telling each other they smell of poo. I remember my own boys finding lavatorial humour extremely funny when they were little. So, have them on their own, away from parents, and have a good supply of toys. I used to collect babies and clothes and the girls spent ages dressing them. Hope this helps, they will grow out of it.

Battersea1971 Wed 21-Sept-16 17:14:53

Sorry that should read I used to collect Barbies and clothes. Still got the box, and they still get them out and dress them all for a wedding or party.

Spangles1963 Wed 21-Sept-16 17:43:18

Crikey! I don't know how you put up with it!

EmilyHarburn Wed 21-Sept-16 17:57:42

What a night mare. Makes me feel I would be putting up a party tent in the garden with tables for water play sand play and house play. I would say that there were rules for indoors and state them. then anybody who wanted to come inside could come in if they could keep them. etc.

My children used to run riot in the students common room at university so I said that if they wanted to go in the lift and visit the professor they would have to behave like grown ups. They did and were rewaqrded by being allowed to press the button in the lift.

At the student cafeteria they wanted adult milk shakes. I got tired of saying no. So I said just this once have what you want. The youngest one was sick on the floor before we event left the cafeteria. Neither of them asked for large milkshakes again.

Then they wanted to eat in a milk bar cafe. I said that as they always left the table before they finished a meal they would find their food taken away by the waitress. When they agreed to the rules they got their treat.

They are 2 great sons aged 50 plus now.!

Good luck you do need a system that you can work which has clear behavioral boundaries that you can stick too.

yulle87 Wed 21-Sept-16 18:04:40

Arianna, I feel very sorry for you. What a nightmare when it should be a joy. I is a bit late now but I wonder why you have put up with this behaviour for so long. You have three grandchildren, so what was the first one like? Seems to me that you should have put your foot down at the first sign of rudeness. Imagine tolerating them calling your names! Could you have a word with your son saying you love his children very much but have had enough and until the kids have learned some manners you don't want them in the house . Meeting in a park or playground is a good idea, but DONT let them call you names. That is awful. What are they like in school? Have you spoken to other members of the family or friends of the parents? Good luck, but I don't see a solution unless the parents cooperate
Yullemor

phoenix Wed 21-Sept-16 18:14:46

Glad to see that the particularly nasty posts have been deleted.

harrysgran Wed 21-Sept-16 18:23:43

The whole family sounds like a nightmare do they give you notice of their visits if so I'd make sure I had prior arrangements made it's your home so your rules and I'm afraid if your DIL doesn't like it
then she could lump it she and your son are taking advantage .

Vonnie34 Wed 21-Sept-16 19:18:23

Hi Arianna.
I feel so sorry for you.
You are missing out on so much, through no fault of your own.
All due to bad parenting I'm afraid. Children need discipline and rules.
I think the idea of going to the park is a good one.x
Good luck,xx

Jalima Wed 21-Sept-16 19:35:38

Well, I haven't read all the posts and didn't see the deleted ones.

We had friends visiting with children like these before we had any and I must say it nearly put me off having any of my own!
Mine were always very lively but would behave when they were out (especially at MIL's) but needed to let off steam at the local park.
I may be repeating what other posters have said but I would research some good places to go to near you, parks with lots of play equipment, perhaps a zip wire, soft play, farm parks etc to burn up their energy.
DIL sounds like one of those 'laissez faire' parents whereas your parenting style was different - however, the parents should make sure they behave reasonably in other people's houses.
I don't think you can say anything about food, behaviour etc, try to make positive moves to get them outside (or buy some DVDs and stick them in front of the telly).
DIL has obviously been brought up differently to your boys, I don't think you can change things, just develop a positive coping strategy.
(Put away the ornaments etc - clear the decks, the DGC are coming! Then go out with them!)

Jalima Wed 21-Sept-16 19:39:17

Oh, just read about the 'poo' thing, yes, they do find that funny at a certain age hmm

Jalima Wed 21-Sept-16 19:46:30

the common decency to have afternoon naps grin radicalnan

Ilrina Wed 21-Sept-16 19:50:07

Phoenix I didn't see any particularly nasty posts on here, only ones which didnt feel like taking all this " Drivel" on board. Oh dear am I mistaken here should we not have an opinion in the forums?

Carolpaint Wed 21-Sept-16 19:53:40

Is there any chance that you could have the grandchildren separately? So far it seems too chaotic to deal with, take the eldest one out for something, with a planned time for the next one down and so on. We all remember teachers separating disruptive pupils. In a way you seem to be seeking intimate engagement, it is only a suggestion but it may be the key in to this. The retired midwife must be long retired practices change and have to be evidence based now, I have never bottle fed so may be wrong but after six months do you not have to sterilise?

Bluesmum Wed 21-Sept-16 19:57:44

I would tell your son and his wife that, as much as you love them, you cannot tolerate thdir behaviour any longer and ban them from visiting until thry have taken thdir parental duties seriously and tsught them how to behave! Then get on with enjoying your life, naybe visiting them on their home ground to keep contact and monitor progress!

rosesarered Wed 21-Sept-16 19:59:42

Arianna don't allow the odd nasty post to put you off Gransnet.It's an all too familiar theme ( out of control grandchildren) and hope all the good tips and strategies will help you.Do NOT move far away, especially if you are happy in your area, as then they will come and stay with you for long weekends!!

Jalima Wed 21-Sept-16 20:07:01

Ps my Sister-in-law was advised to start giving mushed up solids to DN at two days old because he wasn't taking to the bottle well (that was late 1950s!)

Pps keep in a packet of nappies

Pps scour charity shops for outdoor toys, sand, water, easel, paints and chuck them outside. (The DGC I mean)

Elrel Wed 21-Sept-16 20:08:49

OP I honestly feel exhausted just reading your account of GC's behaviour, huge sympathy! No magic wand to wave, I'm afraid. When they arrive and rush in, after a calm brief greeting, could you (seriously) just start doing something interesting on your own? Bring out a box of (hard wearing!) toys, big chunky vehicles, Megablocks maybe, and without even looking at children become apparently absorbed in it yourself. A soft set of skittles possibly. May catch their attention, or not? ....
Find out what tv programme they love and have it on with the sound down. Holding a child by the arm to catch their attention and/or talk to them often just prompts them to pull away from you I've found.
Best thing to do about poo talk is completely ignore it I think. Depends on how old the children are, many have a time of thinking it's the most hilarious word in the language, show, don't say 'not amused, not impressed'.
DiL, like me (!) needs somewhere sit to put her shoes on, can you put a chair in the hall, presumably she doesn't want to put dirty outdoor shoes on anywhere else. Or just warn her the radiator shelf is wobbly and may break.

Just a few random thoughts, wish I had the magic word for you, OP

Anyone else have a baby in 1964? My DD was put on solids (cereal first) at 10 weeks, normal then I think.

I don't think I have ever seen so many deleted posts on a thread here. Had to. Heck I hadn't strayed on to mumsnet!!

Jalima Wed 21-Sept-16 20:20:56

They never do anything at school, it is no good asking them about it unless they decide to tell you of their own volition.

I think you need to interact on their level (as Elrel suggests) not try to ask 'granny' questions.
Is your DH - or you - able to kick a ball in the garden - it is fascinating watching them improve their motor skills, perhaps badminton racquets, soft tennis balls etc - and you may enjoy it too!

Elrel Wed 21-Sept-16 20:43:36

* Had to check

Sheilasue Wed 21-Sept-16 20:47:57

I see a lot of this lately quite shocked how parents just let there children run wild and have no respect for their parents homes. My neighbour has split from his partner and came back to live in the apartment next door he has a daughter aged 5. She is quite sweet likes to see our cat. She jumps on our furniture and pulls the cushions on the floor all the while her Dad is talking to us. Our children were very well behaved and you could take them anywhere. We made sure they sat at the table for meals and always polite and well mannered in other people's homes. The cat goes under the bed until she's gone. We are getting to dread the visits.

phoenix Wed 21-Sept-16 21:28:03

Irina ,well, you really have made me shock !!
Of course we can express opinions, I often do, but accusing a poster of lying is not acceptable under GN guidelines, hence the deleted posts.

Granny23 Wed 21-Sept-16 22:46:28

When my DD1 was born in early 1970, early weaning was the recommended thing, tho'thickening up bottle milk with baby cereal (as recommended by my Mother) was frowned upon. This was very fortunate for me as DD1 totally resisted taking either breast or bottle. After 2 months of struggling I was encouraged by the midwife to try feeding some milky cereal and pureed fruit from a spoon and she gobbled it up and started to put on weight at last by 3 & 4 months she was fully weaned, gumming away on finger foods, eating mashed versions of our meals and drinking milk/water/fruit juice from a sippy cup.

3 years later, when DD2 arrived there was to be nothing but milk until 4 months old. Again I was fortunate, because DD2 was devoted to milk, easy to suckle and in fact was approaching her 1st birthday before she took any interest in solid food other than mashed banana.

cornergran Wed 21-Sept-16 22:57:11

Same advice given to me about the same time. Son took to solids like the proverbial duck to water, thrived and is still thriving. We mashed up everything and he ate it all. Wonder he survived smile. Have observed the sort of behaviour described by op in some of our grandchildren's friends. We just up and leave, harder with your own grandchildren you would love to interact with. I don't have answers but meeting them somewhere designed for activity seems a good plan. You have my sympathy, I would struggle with the situation you describe.

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