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phoenix Thu 30-Mar-17 23:42:07

Hello all, first if this has already been covered, I apologise, and would appreciate a point in the direction of any relevant threads.

However, whilst I can have some understanding of those who choose to be vegetarian, I have a bit of struggle with people who adopt a vegan lifestyle (actually, not very keen on the word "lifestyle", always seems a bit Sunday supplement?) especially if they are doing it because of "love of animals".

I love animals, and want those that I eat to have had a good life and a humane death. (I used to keep a 50 head flock of sheep, and they and their lambs were treated very well)

If we all adopted a totally vegan approach to food, clothes, home fabrics etc, surely many of our domestic farm animals would become of no use, and possibly endangered species!

And as for vegans objecting to the content of animal product in the new notes becoming part of our currency, what should we do?

Palm oil has been suggested, but apparently that isn't an environmentally good option.

Shall we go back to trading in beans? But what if they have been grown in land fertilised by animal manure?

Where does it actually reach a sort of semi sensible conclusion?

grannypiper Thu 13-Apr-17 20:42:33

MenopawsHope you have a better nights sleep tonight. grin

Menopaws Thu 13-Apr-17 17:37:24

Grannypiper as there was a shortage of sheep in the fields I ended up counting the slightly soft and bendy carrots in the bottom of my fridge but yes sleep soon followed!

Jalima1108 Thu 13-Apr-17 17:37:05

It's the almonds djen, none of them like the almond taste although they will eat the whole nuts!

grannypiper Thu 13-Apr-17 09:05:13

Menopaws sheep, cows, horses or even beans the choice was yours. Hope you finally got some sleep grin

Menopaws Thu 13-Apr-17 04:21:21

Well that was an interesting hour spent reading your various views as I was awake in the middle of the night, I'm sleepy now so am I allowed to count sheep??

durhamjen Wed 12-Apr-17 22:35:55

Is it the fruit they don't like, or the almonds?
It can be made without fruit, but not almonds.
If it's the almond paste you like, it's delicious made with apricots.
Come to think of it, I could just make that and eat it on it's own, pretend there's cake with it. Or put a slice in the middle of a hot cross bun.

Jalima1108 Wed 12-Apr-17 21:19:43

I could ask and hint but ....
still none of them would eat it but me (and DH)

durhamjen Wed 12-Apr-17 21:10:50

Jalima, I get over that by getting the family to make it. My daughter in law loves making vegan cakes. Then I can have just as much as I want without wasting the rest.

grannypiper Wed 12-Apr-17 18:51:23

You can have that too chewbacca way too salty for me, but cake of any description (except almond and cherry) is mine grin

Jalima1108 Wed 12-Apr-17 17:48:30

I do like simnel cake but no-one else does apart from DH who may eat one slice so I would eat it nearly all. Which has happened occasionally in years past.

durhamjen Wed 12-Apr-17 17:07:13

I went there ages ago, angelab. Or was that the 8th Day?
They were going in the 70s.

Chewbacca Wed 12-Apr-17 15:54:19

Cheers Grannypiper ! I even love the Cookie Dough flavour of ice cream by Ben & Jerry's.

angelab Wed 12-Apr-17 15:48:47

Apologies if this has already been posted, but 'On the seventh day' is a great place for vegan food in Manchester - yummy too!

grannypiper Wed 12-Apr-17 15:37:45

chewbacca you can have my share, i think it is the yuckiest taste in the world.

durhamjen Wed 12-Apr-17 13:35:41

theconversation.com/doctor-who-takes-an-ethical-stance-towards-alien-life-so-why-isnt-he-vegan-75786

thatbags Wed 12-Apr-17 07:42:22

I give the spoon to my grandkids. Their mum totally approves. It's an essential and joyous part of childhood is scraping out the cake bowl and eating raw cake dough.

I think the risk of salmonella is miniscule. Life is full of risks. We shouldn't get hyper about small ones.

Chewbacca Tue 11-Apr-17 16:54:52

Me too annodomini, I thought everyone did, whether vegan or not!

annodomini Tue 11-Apr-17 13:31:43

I do that anyway, dj and still haven't succumbed to salmonella.

durhamjen Tue 11-Apr-17 13:25:24

By the way, if you make a vegan cake you can lick the spoon.

durhamjen Tue 11-Apr-17 13:24:38

A delicious vegan simnel cake. Just in case anyone wants to make one.

www.veganrecipeclub.org.uk/recipes/easter-simnel-cake

durhamjen Sun 09-Apr-17 15:01:53

I don't know if anyone other than a vegan would have thought of checking for this in food ingredients lists.
Lots of shiny foods, like citrus or chocolate have shellac in their coatings. It sounds pretty revolting, and I'd love to know who thought of using it. It's obviously for cosmetic purposes and no nutritional value.

www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiHurjUw5fTAhVkDsAKHcVyAjwQFggkMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FShellac&usg=AFQjCNEg23Lyt4BXpYMcb-7dj-cC9q_yOA

durhamjen Sun 09-Apr-17 14:56:08

Just realised, no boiled eggs to jarp this year.

Anya, I presume you bought or were given your chucks for eggs. As I don't eat eggs, I would have no need for chickens.
So I'd say no thanks, give them to someone else.

durhamjen Sun 09-Apr-17 10:45:42

I have noticed that Ask has quite a few vegan meals on their menu now, and they even label their vegan puddings. That's a huge advance. Vegans aren't supposed to eat puddings!

sunseeker Sun 09-Apr-17 09:11:01

Nightowl When out with my vegetarian friend I would never have been so thoughtless as to order a "juicy steak" or anything which would mean I had a slab of meat on my plate. We both loved Italian food so I would generally order something like a bolognese or lasagne.

grannypiper Sun 09-Apr-17 08:54:17

Nightowl I understand what you say about some vegetarians and vegans not being comfortable about eating alongside someone eating meat but not all Vegetarians or vegans feel the same. One of my best friends has been vegetarian for the last 30 years, in that time time she has been married and raised 4 children, she has cooked meat for her Husband and children and any visitors to her house, she uses the same pots, pans, crockery etc. She stopped eating meat after a school visit to a slaughter house, she accepts it is her choice not to eat meat and has never preached at anyone over their choice of diet and will defend her childrens choice to eat meat.
Two other friends who are vegan are very evangelical about their choice, they will not visit any meat eaters homes whether there for a meal or not, they wont visit any pubs that have meat on their menu even if they are only there for a drink. They moan that they never get invited to any social gatherings and even missed his Grandfathers funeral because it the wake afterwards wasnt vegan.
I understand and respect peoples choice of diet but there is no need for aggressive preaching ( not you Night owl) that some people revel in regarding their dietary choice.