Charlie Gard

BlueBelle, yes.

So very well put Bluebell

I agree too Bluebell

Agreed bluebelle as I understand it, the very best that can be expected is a delay in the baby's death, certainly not a recovery of any kind. The poor parents have got so caught up in this terrible situation that (imho) they have forgotten what it is they are fighting for. Regrettably, there are some who are using this tragedy to their own religious ends and their behaviour is unforgivable and wicked.

Is it unforgivable and wicked to be pro life? I don't think it is Gill, i cannot accept it wicked to believe all human life is precious . I suppose I am semi pro life

For example - it is unforgivable and wicked to be so pro life you deny an abortion to a 12 year old girl raped by her grandfather

I would believe the life of the 12 year old to be previous beyond measure and that being raped was dreadful enough without being forced to give birth

Well said BlueBelle.

Even some of the nuns at my Catholic school agreed with you on that one, rigby, and quite right too, imo.

Human life, any life, is precious, but it is not precious to the point these poor parents are going. Poor parents. Poor baby.

Death is part of life.

No, it was wrong, just as aborting a child because it's arrival would affect one's hopes of promotion or some other selfish reason is wrong.

But for me the bottom line is that anyone can be as pro life as they want as long as they apply it just to themselves and do not force that choice on anyone else - are you listening DUP?

Of course all human life is precious. None of the posters here are suggesting otherwise.
Every post I've read expresses sympathy and concern for the parents but it seems the majority feel, to put it simply, that nature should be allowed to take its course. I try to avoid criticising faith but on this occasion, I find it difficult to see the Evangelical preacher, who flew in from the US isn't in part at least, driven by his own ego. I may of course be wrong but I find it distasteful. That could because I'm English and struggle with those who believe their own faith is the only one.

You're right - he's absolutely driven not just by his own ego but worse, by his utter utter anti abortion, anti contraceptive beliefs. He is vile in using Charlie to further his agenda and I cannot fathom why the parents haven't got any decent PR advice. They are fair game for anyone who comes along and do and say nothing to the Barmy Army who threaten and libel GOSH staff on the FB page which is linked to the official Charlie website.

The majority think the child should die now but not all, should they not have posted? Either we have freedom of speech or we do not, no one can force their pro life beliefs on anyone but they can speak out against abortion, right to die or any end of life decision.

The parents are in the most vulnerable place it is possible to be in. I do so hope they are being given the right support.

I agree Whitewave, they are so very vunerable , they will have to accept the courts decision come Thursday so I hope the hospital don't again extend the child's life by a few days as they did last time, I do not mean race from the court and withdraw trestment but don't wait days because there will never be a right day for these parents .

But my point is that they are not being given wise counsel it appears - they are being egged on, exploited and used by others. When Charlie dies, it will only be the start of another nightmare I feel.

I agree ab about not extending the matter this time if the court rules as may be expected. The hospital will also need some time to plan against the huge backlash they will face as well from many quite frankly unhinged people in the Army.

I don't accept the concept of free speech that threatens death to people ( and neither did the courts today re Gina Miller) . Do you think that supporting his parents means threatening harm to GOSH staff? Surely not?

Annie, if you meant should those here who believe nature shouldn't be allowed to take its course,nthen of course people are free to express that belief. I cant imagine you meant that free speech includes the right to threaten eg GOSH staff.

The decision to give the parents a period of time with Charlie, after the last Court hearing was made in good faith, not to prolong the agony. GOSH made an application to the Court in response to what the parents see as new evidence. The Court gave them 48 hours to present that evidence. The Judge has indicated it will have to be significant new evidence for his decision to be changed. He also stressed that he, like everyone, would like to see Charlie well.

I agree with Rigby about the implications for the parents as well as for the Hospital.

I don't understand 'pro life' really. Does it mean that no one ever uses contraception; that women are constantly pregnant and that everyone should be kept alive at all costs as long as there are medical interventions that can make that possible? Where is the line to be drawn between 'life' and 'living'[other than exisiting, that is?]. I find it all quite scary.

why do some get so carried away, where have I mentioned threats to anyone?
A pathetic way to try to prove you are sooooo right.

Soak of abortion and it's a twelve year old was raped, ignore the thousands of healthy babies aborted, pathetic

Yep Tegan got it in one - it also means being mysogynistic and thinking you have the god given right not just to your own views but to impose those views on everyone else. It means shooting dead doctors who carry out abortions and ATM it means threatening physical harm to GOSH staff.

And what exactly is wrong with aborting a healthy but unwanted foetus? No one would force someone to do that in this country but 'pro-lifers' think they should be able to force anyone in whatever circumstances to give birth