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How do the "Have Nots" get on in life?

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grannysue05 Wed 11-Oct-17 14:15:57

The "Have Nots" were briefly mentioned in another thread, and it got me thinking about how these people/families get on in life.
Whilst I discount people who have serious illnesses/mental health issues/disabilities, surely the rest CAN make something of their lives.
One of the worries regarding Brexit is that there will not be enough mid Europeans to do the "dirty" jobs. (please don"t go into the subject of Brexit).
I remember back in the fifties, sixties and even seventies that many people had to struggle to get on and earn a living.
Earn was the operative word. Nobody expected something for nothing, and benefits were unheard of.
Young people avoided pregnancy (one way or another) until they could AFFORD to keep a child.
Everyone saved up for what they had as HP (Hire Purchase) was frowned upon.
Nobody I ever knew expected to have washing machines, fridges (except little mini things) or other household luxuries. You saved for them.
Branded, luxury clothing and TV's or nice cars and holidays only came your way if you actually worked hard for them.
And having a roof over your head....well, countless couples started married life living with the in-laws.
So, with todays "Have Nots", having nothing to look forward to, what should they all be doing?
Should they get out there and take on some of the work that goes to mid- Europeans?
Should women stop having children as a "right". Never mind that they have no means of supporting them.
Should people (especially the young), get out and find work, instead of siting in their expensive trainers and playing on their iphones?
At one time you got out of life what you put into it.
I think that maxim still holds true.

Anniebach Wed 11-Oct-17 20:21:23

Maryeliza, you are so into questioning, and of things which are not your business

Iam64 Wed 11-Oct-17 20:19:55

Can we have a 'wave' emoticon? I'd wave to mcem who is another of us who dislikes this simplistic denigrating of young people. I'll stop because I've already had my say (but did want to wave and say hello to mcem)

Chewbacca Wed 11-Oct-17 20:15:46

I reckon this thread might be a little "highbrow" for the Daily Mail mcem! grin

maryeliza54 Wed 11-Oct-17 20:14:52

I could understand not reporting a single mum who earned s few pounds cash in hand cleaning but not systemic cheating eg living with wotking partner whilst pretending to be single

mcem Wed 11-Oct-17 20:13:52

Yet another thread knocking the young, the 'entitled' generation, the snowflakes.
I am fed up of being lumped into the same group as the elderly moaners, the grumpy old folks, the over-60's who must have voted for brexit and are inevitably tories.
Thank goodness my own children and grandchildren know I do not fit into that dismal demographic.
Clearly lots of GN posters do so I 'll leave you inveterate grumbles to get on with your groans!!
Wonder when the DM might pick up this thread and edit it to suit their purpose!

maryeliza54 Wed 11-Oct-17 20:11:31

Re the nurses - how is this the same as the systemic theft and cheating you are not prepared to do anything about?

maryeliza54 Wed 11-Oct-17 20:09:47

I haven’t reported anyone annie I’m trying to understand why you don’t? You know all the facts so they are clearly breaking the law and you are colluding with this. They must be getting a fortune - DLA/PIP //ESA/HB/CTB/ cash in hand jobs/ fraudulent use of food bank,/free furniture What’s not to let them get away with? I’m sure the decent people who donate and help out at your local food bank/ would be delighted to kniw that such well of cheats were depriving genuine people of help.

Anniebach Wed 11-Oct-17 20:02:42

I do know that .paddyann

Anniebach Wed 11-Oct-17 20:02:10

Gill, exactly why I have made my decision never to report, I just blew a fuse when I heard today, I apologise but I see no wrong in speaking of it, if a nurse allegedly uses a food bank and this can be brought up in just about every speech why not bring up benefit cheats . They exist , just as tax dodgers exist. It's the way the world wags

paddyann Wed 11-Oct-17 19:35:50

surely they have to be referred to the foodbank anniebach?You cant just turn up and collect food anytime you want .

GillT57 Wed 11-Oct-17 19:17:09

I do understand your anger Anniebach, especially after you have helped out with furniture and stuff, but sadly, there are people who take advantage of decent people like you who help. This is an indicator of their moral compass and not of yours. Let karma take care of them, maybe they will get food poisoning and have a rotten holiday!

Anniebach Wed 11-Oct-17 19:10:21

Yes whitewave, I wouldn't report tax dodgers because I wouldn't report benefit cheats

Chewbacca Wed 11-Oct-17 19:09:20

Why all piling onto Annie because she's cross about 2 people, whom she knows personally, that are claiming benefits and using food banks but able to go on holiday to Thailand? She hasn't tarred every claimant with the same brush; she was quite clear that she said 2.

And if you want to know what CAWL is Maryeliza, Google it.

whitewave Wed 11-Oct-17 19:04:22

Are you talking about the principle of the two illegal acts annie?

Anniebach Wed 11-Oct-17 19:02:09

But whitewave, apart from numbers there is no difference

Anniebach Wed 11-Oct-17 19:00:42

I am surprised the Daily Mail reads this forum considering many posters think it not worthy to be used as emergency loo paper ?

minesaprosecco Wed 11-Oct-17 18:59:18

Fair play then.

Anniebach Wed 11-Oct-17 18:58:43

I have often spoken of those in need , genuine need

whitewave Wed 11-Oct-17 18:58:11

I would definately report tax cheats, and in fact have done on more than one occasion.

minesaprosecco Wed 11-Oct-17 18:56:28

But you're happy to talk about them on a public forum Annie. If the Daily Mail gets its claws into this thread they could well be reported. It would balance things out a bit if you wrote about some of the benefits claimants you know who are not cheating the system.

Anniebach Wed 11-Oct-17 18:54:05

whitewave, I see no difference between benefit cheats and tax dodgers but would not report them , we will always have both. I wouldn't feel I had done what was right if I reported anyone , the thought that I may feel smug is enough to put me off.

whitewave Wed 11-Oct-17 18:47:51

I feel just like annie but in my case over tax avoiders/evasion. So much more money goes missing, than the ever does on benefits cheats.

Anniebach Wed 11-Oct-17 18:43:19

Unlike you maryeliza i do not report people, I leave reporting to the dogooders , I know of their up bringing

Iam64 Wed 11-Oct-17 18:38:39

Well said MawBroon.
I do wonder where those who denigrate the yoof of today, whilst suggesting most of us grew up and lived in a country I never knew, where no one got pregnant out of 'wedlock', no one had HP, everyone worked hard and saved and there was no such thing as benefits. Benefits - in the mid 60's people still got clothing grants and other support as well as their unemployment benefit. Jobs were more plentiful and offered greater job security. Young women and girls who became pregnant often disappeared for several months, often to tell people on return they'd been sent to a mother and baby unit and their baby removed and adopted.
Give me 2017 with all its problems any day.

maryeliza54 Wed 11-Oct-17 18:38:12

Being a benefit cheat is a crime and knowing they are you are colluding with this and as you say others who are genuine go without or have to wait longer~ how is that fair?