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How do the "Have Nots" get on in life?

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lemongrove Wed 11-Oct-17 15:19:09

Yes it can, but far, far better than sitting at home on benefits.

FarNorth Wed 11-Oct-17 15:14:31

More people are in work now than at any time since the early seventies, so that’s something

"In work" can mean anything from full-time, highly paid work to a zero hours contract for a minimum wage job.

paddyann Wed 11-Oct-17 15:02:00

well said MAWBROON

Welshwife Wed 11-Oct-17 14:58:22

I grew up in the 40s during and after the war my mother did all the washing using a gas boiler for the sheets etc and rinsing in the sink - we had a mangle in the garden and my father made it so that the water drained away fast.
When I married in the early 60s there were plenty of launderettes to do the big stuff such as sheets and towels and then I graduated to a wonderful Hooint Countess washing machine with an electric mangle.
These things are not easily available now and automatic washing machines are almost a necessity - same for the fridge - we had a larder with a tiled shelf before we had a fridge in the late 50s.
People on minimum wage find things very difficult indeed and if it were not for benefits there would be many more families on the street with nowhere to go. It is far from being a lack of getting a job or not working long enough hours - for many people wages are low and prices high.
See if you can volunteer somewhere in a poor distric grannysue and see for yourself how these people are managing - there will be some as you describe but not many - most are doing their best to just live with what they need and pay their bills.

maryeliza54 Wed 11-Oct-17 14:55:07

You are a braver woman than me Maw . I didn’t know where to start so I didn’t [gin] oops I meant grin but maybe first one is more appropriate

gillybob Wed 11-Oct-17 14:54:01

Well said Ilovecheese

gillybob Wed 11-Oct-17 14:53:21

^As for your question, is it true you got out of life what you put into it?
No more so then than now^

Many people put a whole lot into life. They help others for no reason other than out of the goodness of their hearts, they work damned hard and get very little in return.

There again there are those who are completely selfish, they think of number one and wouldn't do a thing to help anyone else (unless they were being paid for it). They quite often do very well in life.

Are we all dealt the same "cards" and its up to us to play the best hand. No way.

Ilovecheese Wed 11-Oct-17 14:51:47

Ah, those good old days of misery and hardship!
Why shouldn't the yoof of today suffer like we did, isn't that just what we want for out children and grandchildren?
No wonder us older people get a bad name for grumbling!

lemongrove Wed 11-Oct-17 14:50:17

GrannySue I think that expectations are very high now, and a sense ( by some) of entitlement doesn’t help them.
More people are in work now than at any time since the early seventies, so that’s something, as a short while ago there were far too many able bodied younger people living on benefits.
Under all governments, not enough houses have been built in the last 30 years, which, coupled with massive population explosion due to non EU and EU migrants and marriage break down have caused such a shortage of affordable olaces to live.Younger people now therefore have a harder
time of it, regards housing.
Of course the maxim holds true, you really do have to put something in to get something out, but that goes for any age group.

Moocow Wed 11-Oct-17 14:48:22

It's all depressing if you think about it for too long. Existing from week to week, pay packet juggling and searching down the sofa for pennies that don't seem to end up backthere anymore. You could do without switching on the lightsuntil absolutely necessary so using less electricity if necessary but now everything you do to keep abreast needs wifi 12 month contracts etc. Caught me at a depressing time!

MawBroon Wed 11-Oct-17 14:37:11

Oh dear.
Where does one start?
Fair enough I was a child in the Fifties and a teenager in the Sixties, but the misery of unwanted pregnancies was all too clear, less a case of avoiding pregnancy one way or another than back street abortions or rushed register office weddings and years of grinding poverty afterwards. I know, my sister did the latter and was “disowned” by my father . How she and BIL existed on his minimal wages (he had to drop out of university) and food parcels when my mum was able to visit from 300 miles away I do not know, but to say life was hard was an understatement. Saving (ha ha) was a luxury denied to them just as it is to many today. A fridge (yes small) was a Christmas present.
Let’s not hark back to “good old days”when a twin tub was the height of luxury or pretend that scenarios such as that in Cathy Come Home are anything other than best consigned to the dustbin of social history.
I don’t want to be part of the point of view of some older people muttering that “fings ain’t wot they used to be” , or “they never had it so good” and generalising that young people loaf around in their expensive trainers, blah, blah.
Actually probably the same comments were made about Teddy Boys in the 50s/60s or Mods and Rockers, or beatniks or whatever name the older generation applied to the “yoof” of their day. (While muttering darkly that a spot of National Service would do them good and get a bleddy haircut boy!)
As for your question, is it true you got out of life what you put into it?
No more so then than now.

grannysue05 Wed 11-Oct-17 14:15:57

The "Have Nots" were briefly mentioned in another thread, and it got me thinking about how these people/families get on in life.
Whilst I discount people who have serious illnesses/mental health issues/disabilities, surely the rest CAN make something of their lives.
One of the worries regarding Brexit is that there will not be enough mid Europeans to do the "dirty" jobs. (please don"t go into the subject of Brexit).
I remember back in the fifties, sixties and even seventies that many people had to struggle to get on and earn a living.
Earn was the operative word. Nobody expected something for nothing, and benefits were unheard of.
Young people avoided pregnancy (one way or another) until they could AFFORD to keep a child.
Everyone saved up for what they had as HP (Hire Purchase) was frowned upon.
Nobody I ever knew expected to have washing machines, fridges (except little mini things) or other household luxuries. You saved for them.
Branded, luxury clothing and TV's or nice cars and holidays only came your way if you actually worked hard for them.
And having a roof over your head....well, countless couples started married life living with the in-laws.
So, with todays "Have Nots", having nothing to look forward to, what should they all be doing?
Should they get out there and take on some of the work that goes to mid- Europeans?
Should women stop having children as a "right". Never mind that they have no means of supporting them.
Should people (especially the young), get out and find work, instead of siting in their expensive trainers and playing on their iphones?
At one time you got out of life what you put into it.
I think that maxim still holds true.