Niqab/burqa ban in Netherlands

Lessismore Sat 03-Aug-19 19:10:03

"Please direct me to a post where allegations of " racist " have been made. I await you reply."

"No really please enlighten me to where anybody has called anybody else racist on this thread?"

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I wouldn't call it haughtines as such but I do wonder if you read other posts before wanting proof of what others post is true. Do you read other posts.? Do you understand when a word or term is used it may be a generalised comment and does not have to be on a thread, it is an overview of behaviour.

To answer your specific point however I have quickly looked at the thread and noted these comments:-

"This type of subconcious racism is shocking !"

"I am sensing some rather uneducated and racist comments here."

"To suggest that people from another country, whether immigrants or tourists, should abide by a vague dress code, is racist in the extreme."

"Some of these remarks are Racist."

Who?

Oh grow up ?

The fact is a perfectly reasoned debate cannot be pursued if the will of some is to shut the conversation down or call out ' racist'.

Where?

haughty jugement? What?

No really please enlighten me to where anybody has called anybody else racist on this thread?

I'd ask what your problem is Lessismore.

Oh for goodness sakes Lessismore.

Stop sitting in haughty judgement on threads and posters. Join in, make a point or do your own research.

A valid point is being made about the term 'racist'. It's part of the discussion.

culturally abhorrent.....It's like an overcoat? What's your problem?

Please direct me to a post where allegations of " racist " have been made. I await you reply.

I am not saying there are not those who are out and out racist, that is obvious. The fact is a perfectly reasoned debate cannot be pursued if the will of some is to shut the conversation down or call out ' racist'.

This is true POGS.

Slinging around the label 'racist' so easily (as some do) is to dangerously cheapen what it really is to be prejudiced against people of other races. We must guard against it.

It isn't racist to ban the burqa.

If it were, the many nations that have brought in a ban would have been in contravention of international human rights.

Human rights works both ways too. We mustn't forget that.

I want to be able to see who I am talking to and inter-acting with - as I have been able to in the UK from birth. There are all sorts of reasons for that.

I do not want to feel concerned that a practice which is culturally abhorrent in the more liberal western world is being practised more and more in the UK. (And I am aware many more enlightened Muslim females in the UK feel the same way about extremism and fundamental/radical Islam.)

suzie yes that’s what I understand. I wouldn’t be surprised either.

I’d hate to see our over stretched police expected to enforce a law banning the burka. The women don’t pose a risk and it would be wrong to criminalise women because they wear clothes some of us dislike

BJ doesn't believe in banning the burqa although he says it's oppressive. The Dutch police say it's an ineffectual ban which violates the right what to wear according to religious beliefs.
It's divisive and will remain so therefore no ban.

Not really taking effect - I’m not with it today

I read that the Dutch ban is really taking effect because the police won’t enforce it - is this true does anyone know?

By the way I do not feel the need for an overall ban on the burka but I do feel there are times it is not appropriate.

Day 6

"There are more countries than I thought which ban the burqa or niqab."
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It's surprising isn't it.

The reasons why some of the countries have banned face coverings would inevitably attract the usual cry of ' racist' in the UK by some, which is absurd. Not all in the Muslim community agree with the ' wearing of the veil ' and that is another point as to why generalising and shouting ' racist' totally misses the point.

I am not saying there are not those who are out and out racist, that is obvious. The fact is a perfectly reasoned debate cannot be pursued if the will of some is to shut the conversation down or call out ' racist'.

The ' context' is missing sometimes in debate and it is a subject worthy of debate.

While we are at it can we ban wearing clothes that are 2 sizes too small and show large amounts of flesh wobbling? What about old women who dye their hair black? OOOH I could go on and on.............................

I agree Day6 as long as men who expose too much flesh are also banned! Some awful sights around here due to 'taps aff' weather

There are more countries than I thought which ban the burqa or niqab.

The Dutch ban has taken effect. I hope we ban it here. I think we need a ruling so there are no grey areas. Most Muslim women dress modestly anyway. (It is something I'd like to see in the UK. The other side of the coin is the often obscene amount of flesh some British women expose when out.)

I wouldn't want to see someone wearing one and driving a car, that would be scary.

I think it may well be a bar to integration though as it must be a lot harder to start a friendship with someone who can't eat with you and when you can't see what they are thinking.

DS was put out when the man who had bought his house, without his wife seeing it, came round to show her what he had bought and met Dil. He wouldn't shake DiLs hand and DS wondered if it was racist (DiL is non-white) but we now think it was because some Muslim men won't touch a woman. Strange as he kept calling himself Dr which is only usual for medical doctors to do.

I have no problem with what anyone chooses to wear - however I do think there are occasions when it is necessary for the face to be seen, entering a bank or building society or passing through a security check.

Ellen I know you have flown with them, that is why I addressed the question to you.
They used to take the whole lot off in the loo. Emerged with their designer jeans on, no face covering.
Maybe it’s changed? It was 30 years ago. Maybe got stricter?

It doesn't hurt to smile at people, whether you can see their face or not.