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Naty Sat 11-Jan-20 21:02:29

Hello everyone. Am I being unreasonable? I've issued a blanket rule to both my own family and my husband's:

No kissing my baby! She's 5 months old.

Here goes:

My husband's family has a tendency of getting cold sores...very rarely..BUT his sister is affected very regularly...severely! Almost every week in the winter, and every time I see them, I scheme and plot to hold my baby and NOT pass her around since I've never had an open dialogue with her or his family about it. I feel stressed, sweaty and shaky whenever she's around my baby with an outbreak because of this.

If my own sister got cold sores, I'd be free to say "Hey, please don't kiss the baby." Or "Hey...be careful she doesnt touch your mouth, okay?" ...because my baby is reaching and touching people's mouths a lot now and putting her hand in her own mouth right after. I had no idea before having a child, but swapping saliva with a young child is a cause of tooth decay and premature dental issues as well..their mouths just can't handle it.

In order to keep myself from losing my mind, I've told everyone via whatsapp message and in person not to kiss my baby. Nobody has ever kissed my baby's mouth. Ever.

My husband's sister kissed her on the forehead and had a cold sore coming the other week. I spotted the redness and when I gently questioned her, almost whispering "you aren't getting a cold sore, are you?"
She said "no...why??? " and then her hand shot up to her mouth and she jumped back..then sat down...it was obvious she'd just forgotten she was getting one at the time.... but my husband's family doesn't talk about a lot of things directly, so it's that much harder for me....
The last time I saw her, that very same redness had turned into a very big cold sore.

This situation has been stressing me out, so I took matters into my own hands as my husband in this regard is pretty useless and
I have explained to his incredulous parents that saliva can get into a baby's mucous membranes (she rubs her own face a lot and can wipe saliva into her eyes, nose and mouth from cheek kisses) even when they are asymptomatic (i.e. not showing any signs of herpes) and cause my baby to get it. At this age, it can be super detrimental to her health.

My beloved MIL said her husband doesn't get them. She flat out lied or she's cherry picking facts. He does get them. HE even said so during that very same conversation. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone where denial is better than fact.

They tried to change the subject but I stood my ground. My husband backed me up and said "Do you understand, mom? No kisses for the baby."

She reluctantly agreed to our request.

His parents had no idea (and still don't believe) that it was even contagious and say it's from stress and not a virus. They are in their 70s, so perhaps they don't know it's initiated by a virus first, and then stays in your system forever.

Anyway, I'm getting reading material on it from gov website and the hospital so they finally believe it. They encouraged me to ask the pediatrician to make sure.

I'm not sure what his sister thinks (I haven't talked to her about it because I don't want her to feel bad AT ALL! Her own 3 kids don't get it, so SHE must know it's contagious. I don't want to alienate her or anybody...just want to keep my baby safe.

My own family understands and is going along willingly. The in-laws, however are trying to say that herpes isn't contagious and that it's from stress.

They've obviously UNknowingly infected their own children when they were young, as their adult kids have had cold sores since childhood (my husband says so). I don't want them infecting my child out of ignorance.

When I decided to finally bring it up to his parents, I made up a phantom friend who almost lost her child to meningitis brought on by herpes because I knew they'd be incredulous. They told me "no..not herpes! Herpes can't do that." I said very pointedly that it can cause blindness in babies, meningitis and encephalitis. I know that these are rare complications, but my child is STILL very vulnerable.

So I have said NO kisses for baby! They've reluctantly agreed, but I feel like the bad guy.

For the record: I do not have HSV1, but I kiss my baby on the head or anywhere else she can't transfer the saliva into her mouth (rarely do I kiss her face, but I'm extravagantly affectionate in other ways). My husband is well aware of the risks, and does the same. Am I being unreasonable?

Thank you.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:54:28

I think I'm more aware of certain things to do with germs. My mom and dad were pretty germaphobic...but everyone has their thing. Some people are obsessed with food...others are obsessed with saving.
I'd like to be more balanced and more relaxed about cleanliness at times. My husband actually said "you're just more aware of these things. It's not an out of control issue for you, though."...so I take solace in that.

Some people would heed others to NOT let their kids be too lax on hygiene or being overly affectionate, right? I think different ppl have different expectations.

dragonfly46 Sun 12-Jan-20 09:43:26

Thinking about it I cuddle my DGC but do not tend to kiss them. I didn’t kiss them as babies either.

Urmstongran Sun 12-Jan-20 09:42:42

Reading through all this it does seem you have a germ phobia Naty which your own family are more aware of and navigate around so as to not upset you.

I’d be more cautious about transferring those issues to your baby going forward. Small children pick up on things so easily. Try to dial it back a bit. Your husband will be stressed out otherwise.

MawB Sun 12-Jan-20 09:39:49

Do you have an obsession with cold sores Naty?
Never having encountered them I find it somewhat strange. Don’t get me wrong, I have had more experience than many of the consequences of immunosuppressants , of Epstein-Barr, and of auto-immune conditions, but I have managed to retain a sense of proportion.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:38:11

Yes, Luckygirl...you have to harbour the virus first in order for it to come out from stress. My MIL wants to deny the fact that it's viral for some strange reason. If they just believed this, I could rest at ease.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:35:54

Thanks, ladymuck. I think some adults don't understand just how contagious they are.

jura2 Sun 12-Jan-20 09:35:45

Naty, it is your baby, your rules- but yes, you are over-reacting.

Having 'germ issues' and being over cautious, is the best way to lead the way to all sorts of allergies, some of them life-threatening. So this is a serious issue.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:34:27

Hi Liz46, that's great you've never had a recurrence! They are just fine if they aren't plaguing you. In some cases, however, they can be quite disruptive to people's lives.

MawB Sun 12-Jan-20 09:34:04

But none of my children or grandchildren have developed them, just a bit of sensible caution needed
I think Sar has summed it up perfectly. Calmly and sensibly.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:32:48

Hi SpringyChick uh oh...you are giving me ideas!grin

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:31:44

Hi Sara65, I think you have not passed on the virus because you are aware.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:30:13

Thanks MiniMoon. I agree that I'm being very cautious.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:29:10

I think I do pretty well here....but I have to fight my kid getting cold sores if I can.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:28:01

I hope it doesn't seem like I can't stand them! I've had several annoyances with them since the baby was born but in truth, never before! We've always had an easy relationship and I've always sought out their company. Now, however, I'm navigating motherhood with people who aren't respecting MY own cultural differences. There is a middle ground.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:23:56

Yes, lots of people have weird ideas about illness. I agree.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:23:12

They don't kiss babies on the mouth, yet both of their adult kids have it.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 09:22:22

I have no problem with a baby kissing family as long as the adult gives them their cheek. I let the baby kiss my cheek all of the time!

sparkii Sun 12-Jan-20 09:02:26

What would happen if the baby wanted to kiss the family?

BlueBelle Sun 12-Jan-20 08:03:45

I can’t remember anyone ever attempting to kiss any of my babies on the lips and I ve never seen anyone do it to any of my grandkids either so I can understand that being a no no but all the rest comes across as OTT
Where do you hail from Naty originally that is obviously you’re not Italian so their family dynamics, which are one of the tightest in the world are going to seem strange to you they would me too but if you marry into a different culture you have to be prepared for differences and if you are living in the midst of that culture you have to embrace it as much as possible and not fight all of it

Farmor15 Sun 12-Jan-20 07:22:48

Lots of people have strange ideas about what causes illness. How many of you think that you caught a cold from being out and getting cold and wet? Rather than getting from someone else with a cold. The main reason colds and flu are more prevalent in winter is that people are indoors in closer contact with others.

My mil thought that drinking water from fridge would give a cold!

Farmor15 Sun 12-Jan-20 07:10:57

www.nbcnews.com/id/35989527/ns/health-oral_health/t/moms-kiss-can-spread-cavities-baby/#.XhrCrYyPSf0
In relation to tooth decay, the main cause is bacterial - Streptococcus mutans - which is often transferred to babies by saliva from mother or another adult (or child) kissing on mouth, so Naty is right to be concerned about this too.

I think the main problems here are cultural. Some cultures are much more touchy-feely than others. Unfortunately for Naty it’s likely to be an ongoing problem while she lives in Italy.

MawB Sun 12-Jan-20 07:05:57

the in-laws are very stubborn and have strange ideas at times (i.e. standing in front of a fan can make you ill/drinking water with ice will give you gastro distress/if your stomach is uncovered you'll get diarrhoea
Your words.
Old wives’ tales which belong not to your PIL s’ generation, but your grandparents
BTW do I take it your own parents also live in Italy? Somehow I thought you were American or Canadian, sorry if I got that wrong.

BlueBelle Sun 12-Jan-20 06:46:09

My family know me very well they know my germ issues

I think this is very telling, sounds as if you have a bit of an obsession with germs Why do you stay in Italy so near to in laws that you pretend to like but it shines out of every sentence that you really can’t stand Move away with your poor husband who must have a hell of a life stuck in the middle of all this brouhaha

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 01:38:03

I'm telling you what they think, MawB...they are strange ideas, but you are using the words "primitive" and "simple minded"...these are your ideas.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 01:36:17

What precautions were they?