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Naty Sat 11-Jan-20 21:02:29

Hello everyone. Am I being unreasonable? I've issued a blanket rule to both my own family and my husband's:

No kissing my baby! She's 5 months old.

Here goes:

My husband's family has a tendency of getting cold sores...very rarely..BUT his sister is affected very regularly...severely! Almost every week in the winter, and every time I see them, I scheme and plot to hold my baby and NOT pass her around since I've never had an open dialogue with her or his family about it. I feel stressed, sweaty and shaky whenever she's around my baby with an outbreak because of this.

If my own sister got cold sores, I'd be free to say "Hey, please don't kiss the baby." Or "Hey...be careful she doesnt touch your mouth, okay?" ...because my baby is reaching and touching people's mouths a lot now and putting her hand in her own mouth right after. I had no idea before having a child, but swapping saliva with a young child is a cause of tooth decay and premature dental issues as well..their mouths just can't handle it.

In order to keep myself from losing my mind, I've told everyone via whatsapp message and in person not to kiss my baby. Nobody has ever kissed my baby's mouth. Ever.

My husband's sister kissed her on the forehead and had a cold sore coming the other week. I spotted the redness and when I gently questioned her, almost whispering "you aren't getting a cold sore, are you?"
She said "no...why??? " and then her hand shot up to her mouth and she jumped back..then sat down...it was obvious she'd just forgotten she was getting one at the time.... but my husband's family doesn't talk about a lot of things directly, so it's that much harder for me....
The last time I saw her, that very same redness had turned into a very big cold sore.

This situation has been stressing me out, so I took matters into my own hands as my husband in this regard is pretty useless and
I have explained to his incredulous parents that saliva can get into a baby's mucous membranes (she rubs her own face a lot and can wipe saliva into her eyes, nose and mouth from cheek kisses) even when they are asymptomatic (i.e. not showing any signs of herpes) and cause my baby to get it. At this age, it can be super detrimental to her health.

My beloved MIL said her husband doesn't get them. She flat out lied or she's cherry picking facts. He does get them. HE even said so during that very same conversation. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone where denial is better than fact.

They tried to change the subject but I stood my ground. My husband backed me up and said "Do you understand, mom? No kisses for the baby."

She reluctantly agreed to our request.

His parents had no idea (and still don't believe) that it was even contagious and say it's from stress and not a virus. They are in their 70s, so perhaps they don't know it's initiated by a virus first, and then stays in your system forever.

Anyway, I'm getting reading material on it from gov website and the hospital so they finally believe it. They encouraged me to ask the pediatrician to make sure.

I'm not sure what his sister thinks (I haven't talked to her about it because I don't want her to feel bad AT ALL! Her own 3 kids don't get it, so SHE must know it's contagious. I don't want to alienate her or anybody...just want to keep my baby safe.

My own family understands and is going along willingly. The in-laws, however are trying to say that herpes isn't contagious and that it's from stress.

They've obviously UNknowingly infected their own children when they were young, as their adult kids have had cold sores since childhood (my husband says so). I don't want them infecting my child out of ignorance.

When I decided to finally bring it up to his parents, I made up a phantom friend who almost lost her child to meningitis brought on by herpes because I knew they'd be incredulous. They told me "no..not herpes! Herpes can't do that." I said very pointedly that it can cause blindness in babies, meningitis and encephalitis. I know that these are rare complications, but my child is STILL very vulnerable.

So I have said NO kisses for baby! They've reluctantly agreed, but I feel like the bad guy.

For the record: I do not have HSV1, but I kiss my baby on the head or anywhere else she can't transfer the saliva into her mouth (rarely do I kiss her face, but I'm extravagantly affectionate in other ways). My husband is well aware of the risks, and does the same. Am I being unreasonable?

Thank you.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 01:35:26

OutsideDave I meant

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 01:34:49

Thank you, Outsidedaves. I'm not really understanding how to tag you all when I respond.

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 01:33:00

Thank you all for your answers!

OutsideDave Sun 12-Jan-20 01:32:15

Oh and Chewbacca it’s quite clear op is quite fond of her mil and other il family as otherwise they would have been out on their ears ages ago. The poor woman won’t even get blinds to have privacy as it would be too direct a slight at her ils ??? good one chewbaccaless

Naty Sun 12-Jan-20 01:32:03

That's weird, Chewbacca...You might be projecting a bit... I have only come up against real issues with the birth of this baby...before this I had almost 10 years of smooth sailing. Resentful? Yes! When my boundaries are crossed and when my worries are dismissed.

OutsideDave Sun 12-Jan-20 01:30:47

You aren’t being a little bit unreasonable. hSV1 can be fatal in infants and even if not is an unpleasant and unsightly issue to contend with. My husband gets cold sores and thus took lots of precautions when our kids were small.

Hithere Sun 12-Jan-20 00:47:10

Your sil should ask her gp for antivirals

Hithere Sun 12-Jan-20 00:45:46

Not a tiny bit unreasonable.

Your baby your rules.

"Innocent kisses from family" members gave me herpes when I was a child.

Hsv is super dangerous for babies.
It can be passed even without any outbreak (cold sore)

If anybody is unable to respect your very reasonable rule, they should wait till the baby is older and has a more robust inmune system to be in their presence.
Nobody plays the health Russian roulette with my kids.

Buffybee Sun 12-Jan-20 00:08:13

I agree with you Naty, I don't think that anyone should be kissing your baby, especially as some family have cold sores.
Also as you say they should not let the baby touch their mouth with her hands as that is just as bad, if not worse.
Stick to your guns and be firm with them.
It's your baby and they should all follow your rules, no questions asked.

MawB Sat 11-Jan-20 23:33:19

Callistemon gringrin

Chewbacca Sat 11-Jan-20 23:32:07

Ok naty, I get it now. Far from your mil being beloved; you actually don't like her very much at all do you; so your opening post is disingenuous, at best. You appear to have several issues with your in laws, mostly because they're just not like your own family. It must be very uncomfortable for your husband because he must know that you dislike and resent his family a lot. So, you're just going to have to either find a way of living with them as things are or, tell them straight that you don't want to see them, unless it's on your terms and stop kissing your baby unless you say they can.

Problem sorted.

Next!

MawB Sat 11-Jan-20 23:31:40

I think @MawB you are trying to accuse me of being hysrerical rather than give me a level-headed solution. Please do suggest what I should do

Dare I suggest you calm down?
You don’t have to plot and scheme to avoid passing your baby round when in-laws visit, just say Not today. As for feeling stressed, sweaty and shaky - I think you have the problem.
You need to put your mind at rest regarding the “dreadful things “ which your in-laws might pass on to your baby -surely they are not the only people to visit or play with her? This is Italy, not a Third World country.
Your description of your in-laws’ primitive ideas about illness and its causes makes them sound very simple minded people, perhaps that is the problem, a cultural interface in which you feel only you know best. It sounds patronising and inimical to good relationships.
In years to come I hope you will look back and laugh and when your daughter has her first baby you will be able to reassure her that babies are tougher than they look!

Callistemon Sat 11-Jan-20 23:28:52

wink

Not meant unkindly

Naty Sat 11-Jan-20 23:28:24

Haha

Callistemon Sat 11-Jan-20 23:27:30

Have you thought of relocating to Canada?

I understand it's becoming quite popular for young families who want to break away from the in-laws.

Naty Sat 11-Jan-20 23:27:21

Perhaps their reluctance to NOT kiss my baby is just another way in which they feel they are losing closeness with their little grandchild?

They are probably comparing their relationship with their daughter's kids as infants thinking "why won't she come over every day" or do whatever it is that their daughter did in her kids' infancies (ie. Ask the mother to wash their floirs, do their ironing etc).

Naty Sat 11-Jan-20 23:22:09

My family knows me very well. They know my germ issues. We are all very similar. They make plans with me (they don't show up at my door randomly because they would just CALL me to see if I was available. We have fun together! My in-laws are not exactly fun, but they are practical and well-intentioned and loving.

We aren't expected to see my family every day.... my family has very relaxed ways of being. They will stay in their PJs until noon, party at the weekends together and go on holiday together. The in-laws are up at 5am and industrious and always want their adult kids around to a clingy extent.

They want to "serve" their kids and check in daily.
When my MIL leaves my house on her forth visit over for the week, she asks the baby "when will we see each other?" ...lady...please give me a bit of space.

My family just don't have these clingy tendencies. If I say something they think is crazy, laugh at my expense, they call my psychotic and then they agree. They don't struggle for power or care all that much because they KNOW me and are secure in my relationship with them.

The in-laws seem to be grasping and I guess want to be way more involved than I would like or find healthy, even! I'll see my family weekly. My husband's parents seem to think we should see them every day.

This week, we saw them Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday and we will be seeing them Sunday. All visits initiated BY ME! But when I went over to their house today they say things to the baby like "you need to come here more often or you won't know your home" and "you aren't used to being here"... What?

phoenix Sat 11-Jan-20 23:09:58

As I said before hmm

Callistemon Sat 11-Jan-20 23:08:14

I'd never heard of the cold sore issue when mine were young and, come to think of it, my SisIL often had one.
She cuddled them but I don't remember her ever kissing them on the mouth. I don't remember them ever catching one.

No-one seemed to kiss babies on the mouth but I have seen people do it more recently

Chewbacca Sat 11-Jan-20 23:07:13

Hmmm, am I correct in understanding that you don't have to endure any unacceptable behaviour from your own side of the family naty? Is it your in laws who are causing you the most of your problems? I think I see the problem here.

Chestnut Sat 11-Jan-20 23:05:39

Gosh, I'm glad I didn't know all this when I had babies. Luckily no-one in our family had cold sores but I would never condone mouth kissing a baby by anyone. I never liked them crawling on the floor either but you can't stop it, and their hands are all over the floor. Just be sensible but not paranoid. Your child will be fine if you just take common-sense precautions although I agree you should avoid mouth-kissing.

BlueBelle Sat 11-Jan-20 23:01:40

Never entered my head to set ridged rules about anything to do with my babies or who handled them or how I trusted my family and close friends All my kids have grown up well and healthy and all the grandkids too thankfully
I m sure your baby will have a lot more germs cross her path before she’s grown
You sound in all your in law threads very nervous and almost hysterical you don’t seem able to relax and enjoy your child will at least not with anything to do with the in laws that is Why not move far far away then you won’t have to worry

Naty Sat 11-Jan-20 22:56:02

I definitely am trying to curb my stress with clear and direct communication.

I know this time will fly by before I know it.

Naty Sat 11-Jan-20 22:49:40

I'm obviously exaggerating with "losing my mind" for effect. I should say "I'm trying to maintain balance and not have a physical stress response every time my sister-in-law appears with cold sores expecting to hold my baby."

I think @MawB you are trying to accuse me of being hysrerical rather than give me a level-headed solution. Please do suggest what I should do.

Callistemon Sat 11-Jan-20 22:46:33

I never kiss a baby or child on the lips, mostly on top of the head or the cheek if proffered by an older child.

I think this boundary should be set straight away. Five months on it could be difficult!

Just say it.

But do try to relax and enjoy your baby, you sound rather stressed; this time will be gone before you know it.

I'm having a wry smile about some of your family's 'old wives' tales'. Did you know that walking on damp grass in bare feet can give you flu? Someone from a similar culture to your MIL told me that. I didn't even begin to argue smile

Actually, I don't like a draught on me which is daft because I'll go for a walk when it's breezy.