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Son seperated and I feel betrayed

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Elaine15 Thu 13-Feb-20 23:03:15

My son was married for a number of years. They had a baby boy who is now 3 and a half. He worked from home for the last 5 years of the marriage and during this time he became my grandson's main carer. This involved my son going to him during the night when he was upset , getting him dressed and giving him his breakfast each day and bathing him each night ready for my DIL getting in from work. He was also responsible for all the domestic duties including cooking. Consequently my son and grandson developed an extremely strong bond. Unfortunately partly due to stresses in the relationship with his wife and my son's addictive personality he started to gamble 'on line' Unfortunately he also gambled all of their savings and got them into serious debt. He eventually confessed and understandably his wife threw him out and he moved in with my husband and I. We were absolutely devastated and provided support to him and our DIL. This included clearing a substantial amount of his debt and giving her
thousands of pounds to help her move on.
Our son has received counselling to help him overcome his addiction. I also had counselling to help me come to terms with what he has done and to cope with the impact it has had on the wider family. He has now moved into a lovely house and has his life back on track. He has told us that he will always be grateful for our help and says he is guilt ridden about what he has done to his wife and child. Consequently he has submitted to all her demands relating to access to his son. Prior to the separation I shared childcare with her mother but since they split up her mother looks after him most of the time. My son does have some access based on negotiations with his ex. During negotiations and in an effort to placate his ex he has basically taken my access to my grandson as his access time and left his ex with all the weekends and her mother with her normal days. In other words there has been no impact on my DILs family only on my 'one to one' time that my grandson has always had with me. There is also no opportunity for my grandson to see his cousins ( who he loves dearly) on our side of the family or to be with the wider family on any weekend.
When I tried to discuss this with my son he told me to negotiate my access with his ex as it's not his place to do this and basically shouted at me about it. His ex and I have always got on quite well but due to the circumstances of the separation she does not want to meet me on a one to one to discuss anything. I had (and still have) great sympathy for her but she has always been quite a difficult person to interact with so I can't see this situation changing.
I am bitterly disappointed in my son's actions but also proud at the way he has moved on. My son also pays a substantial amount of child maintenance each month. What I am finding hurtful is the fact that he has done his best to ensure there is no impact on her parents when it comes to having one to one time with my grandson but has no problem using my time with him. I feel really hurt about his lack of thought for his own family when we have done nothing but support him. I am also disappointed that he had not fought to get greater levels of access to his son bearing in mind the strong bond that they have. I apologise if this seems trivial to some but I am struggling to deal with this issue after what has been such a difficult year. Any advice would be appreciated.

Hithere Fri 14-Feb-20 11:41:46

Have you gone to meetings like gamblers anonymous?

Addictions are a family disease and you do not want to enable your son.
He needs to process the full consequences of his actions, like making sure he pays his debts from his gambling, not his parents.

Kim19 Fri 14-Feb-20 12:49:47

It's that old chestnut 'unconditional' love, isn't it? Naturally we hope that some of our 'fixes' will result in a happier and more stable relationship with our families. However hope is the word and not expect. That would suggest we are regarding any help as a debt either mental or physical or both. Seems to me it's early days in the healing process of such a gigantic upset. If you have any sort of reasonable relationship with Dil's parents, maybe try communicating with them? Try to realise that in the grand scheme of things you are currently a low priority. I'm not saying that is how it should be: perhaps just is. I feel for you. Good luck.

paddyanne Fri 14-Feb-20 12:53:40

Did your DIL lose her home because of the gambling? That will be something she would find it hard to deal with especially as your son now has a "lovely home" when the one she worked for has gone because of his behaviour

Shandy3 Fri 14-Feb-20 12:54:35

A very difficult situation to deal with. If DIL wont talk to you then you have no option but to explain to your son that you now want 1on1 contact with your GS. So both of you will need to renegotiate this via the legal system, whether he likes it or not. You now need to protect your time with GC

Brigidsdaughter Fri 14-Feb-20 12:59:43

Jishere perfect solution

Sally2019 Fri 14-Feb-20 16:25:54

I could have written this. Son and dil split up few yrs ago. Dil moved in with boyfriend, we got asked to pick kids up once a week and have them til about 9 or 10 at night. We willingly agreed. All went well for a bout 6 months. Suddenly dil stopped asking, as they had moved and the house and their work were at same place. Kept asking if we could still pick them up but always excuses. We just feel used. Our son only sees them every other weekend so we dont really want to to take any of his time with them.

paddyanne Fri 14-Feb-20 17:10:32

wee bit different Sally2019 teh OP's son gambled away his families savings ,her DIL didn't leave him for another man

brook2704 Fri 14-Feb-20 17:32:02

Such a sad and difficult situation to be in but it sounds like you’ve done everything possible to help and can’t do any more now. What’s your relationship with the other Gran like ? Is she approachable and understanding? maybe you could you speak to her about how you’re feeling and how you’d like to spend time with your DGS ? There might be an opportunity to build bridges that way and ultimately do some joint childcare or have outings together with DGS ? Just a thought ....

OutsideDave Fri 14-Feb-20 18:57:13

Are you joking? Because grandma wants 1 on 1 time her son, who blew up the lives of his wife and child, should now drag them through more chaos and unpleasantness?? How incredibly selfish.

OutsideDave Fri 14-Feb-20 19:11:42

The child is not a time share. Please stop expecting his divorced parents to consider anything beyond their own scheduling needs and enjoy any time your son is willing to share with you. Your exDil is under no obligation to reduce her time with her son to guarantee you have alone time.

Jaye53 Fri 14-Feb-20 21:00:42

How insensitive and rude Outside Dave

OutsideDave Sat 15-Feb-20 02:03:47

My first comment was in response to shandy. Not sure what’s more insensitive than suggesting this woman force her son to take his ex to court to fulfill her demands. Im absolutely being blunt but I truly can’t fathom how someone can in good conscience expect an exCIL to sacrifice THEIR parenting time with their child to accommodate their ex’s parents. Absolutely baffling to me whenever I see this suggested.

rosecarmel Sat 15-Feb-20 04:38:35

My x sister in law took the same path with my niece as the x daughter in law in the OP- When my niece became of age she reestablished contact with us on her own- It was definitely heartbreaking at first, for the cousins, for all of us- But after she reestablished contact it was like she didn't miss a beat- She's remained a part of our lives to this day-

My x sis knew she was being unreasonable and vindictive- And we let her- No sense acting the same way and taking her bait so that she could up her game- It wouldn't have been in the best interest of my niece to go down that path-

Starlady Sun 16-Feb-20 02:04:24

"I have a feeling that sadly she may feel giving you access will lead to your son seeing more of him and it sounds like she doesn't want that."

Jishere may be right about this, Elaine. Plus, XDIL may think it's up to your DS to make sure you get time w/ GS. So I think your only recourse is to focus on whatever time you get to share w/ DS. Hopefully, this will increase in time. So sorry about this, but glad you seem to be acting reasonable about it.

Sally, I feel for you, as well. I don't think XDIL and her new chap meant to hurt you though. It's just that their needs changed. Perhaps it's a little selfish of them not to include you in the kids' lives, anyhow, especially since the kids had a relationship w/ you. But if it's any comfort, it may just not fit their current schedule. It's kind of you not to ask DS to share his limited visitation time w/ you, but perhaps he could, say, once a month? That wouldn't be the same as what you were used to, but maybe better than nothing?

patcaf Sun 16-Feb-20 18:04:38

After a year or so we were able to negotiate a week every year when the grandchildren would come to stay with us. This year we will have two weeks. This has worked well although, as we live abroad, it is very expensive in air fares. Perhaps like us you just need to let things settle a bit and try to work with your ex-dil to get more time.