So, GN members, what do you think of this!

ArmyNanny, many a true word, eh!

Even with the best efforts of everyone to social distance I cannot see how this will stop a virus spreading through the entire population i.e. every item on supermarket shelves has come into close contact with people, same with all items delivered to the elderly and vulnerable and all prescriptions. Also every door handle we touch when out shopping etc. Surely it is a completely futile exercise. How much more harmful that so many people are suffering the distress of social isolation.... prisons have always been reluctant to put offenders in solitary confinement due to the negative effects on mental health and yet this is now being inflicted on many elderly people 'for their own good'.

I think its wrong, but on the other hand if the three of them live together then I am guessing that they're either all fine or all have it so three going is no worse than one iyswim

We can't change the behaviour of other people, no matter how much we disagree with them and what they're doing. We can only manage our own behaviour.

This is the form to use to notify the police if you see this sort of thing. Whether you use it is up to you!

www.police.uk/tua/tell-us-about/c19/tell-us-about-possible-breach-coronavirus-measures/

Kate54 I was rather concerned about Teacheranne too

Teacheranne have you had a letter from your Government advising you not to leave your home? It is hard, I admit, but even so it's possible to chat to neighbours from a distance, unless you are hard of hearing. I know that could make isolation more difficult.

There is no excuse for this. I would love to see my grandchildren, but I feel fortunate that we have facetime and are able to chat to them. Imagine how awful this situation would be without the internet!!

It amazes me that people just can't get it, that lockdown includes them! Every outing is a potential risk to everybody!
Only until these STUPID people are directly affected will they then realise what this is all about!
It anger's me when the majority of sensible folk are doing their bit whilst others go out and about willy-nilly!!! They are the health hazard!!

I know grannydarkhair. I appreciate too that there’s nothing funny about it and I feel for everyone affected by it. I just think we all have to try and do our bit to cut down the risk of us and anyone else getting it as much as humanly possible. I can see a slow exit from lockdown taking place and genuinely believe there are some really intelligent people out there who will get a vaccine against this sorted out but of course this will take time. Stay safe

Gosh, this one will run and run, won’t it? I’m slightly worried about Teacheranne who hasn’t been out of her house since March 23rd apart from two trips to the shops despite not being in a vulnerable group. There is no reason at all why she can’t do some daily exercise and chat to neighbours two metres apart and both these activities help improve mood.
Just to get things into perspective, the Government is pleased with the way the majority have followed the instructions - they never expected it of us, apparently - and community infection is on a downward curve.
I read yesterday that the police have had updated guidance about dealing with infringements and now it’s acceptable (to them anyway) to pop into a shop during one’s daily exercise to ‘top up’ on both essentials and non-essentials, e.g. buying a paper and a pint of milk.
Just saying!

Armynanny, thank you, that's made the rules so much clearer! No doubt, someone will now post that there's nowt funny about the Cv situation and no, there's not. But humour and laughter are very important in my life (I'm another who has had several bouts of severe depression), so this made a fine start to my day.

crimpedhalo I was literally just about to type that! I think it sums things up in a nutshell.

Two things that affect the
spread of this virus:

1 How dense the population is
2 How dense the population is

Just to clear this all up: ?????

Lockdown rules...probably.

1. You MUST NOT leave the house for any reason, but if you have a reason, you can leave the house

2. Masks are useless at protecting you against the virus, but you may have to wear one because it can save lives, but they may not work, but they may be mandatory, but maybe not

3. Shops are closed, except those shops that are open

4. You must not go to work but you can get another job and go to work

5. You should not go to the Drs or to the hospital unless you have to go there, unless you are too poorly to go there

6. This virus can kill people, but don’t be scared of it. It can only kill those people who are vulnerable or those people who are not vulnerable. It’s possible to contain and control it, sometimes, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster

7. Gloves won't help, but they can still help so wear them sometimes or not

8. STAY HOME, but it's important to go out

9. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarkets, but there are many things missing. Sometimes you won’t need loo rolls but you should buy some just in case you need some

10. The virus has no effect on children except those children it affects

11. Animals are not affected, but there was a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…

12. Stay 2 metres away from tigers (see point 11)

13. You will have many symptoms if you get the virus, but you can also get symptoms without getting the virus, get the virus without having any symptoms or be contagious without having symptoms, or be non contagious with symptoms...it's a sort of lucky/unlucky dip

14. To help protect yourself you should eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand as it's better not to go to the shops, unless you need toilet roll or a fence panel

15. It's important to get fresh air but don't go to parks but go for a walk. But don’t sit down, except if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant or if you’re not old or pregnant but need to sit down. If you do sit down don’t eat your picnic, unless you've had a long walk, which you are/aren't allowed to do if you're old or pregnant

16. Don’t visit old people but you have to take care of the old people and bring them food and medication

17. If you are sick, you can go out when you are better but anyone else in your household can’t go out when you are better unless they need to go out

18. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house. These deliveries are safe. But groceries you bring back to your house have to be decontaminated outside for 3 hours including frozen pizza...

19. You can't see your older mother or grandmother, but they can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver

20. You are safe if you maintain the safe social distance when out but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance

21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours ... or four hours...or six hours... I mean days, not hours... But it needs a damp environment. Or a cold environment that is warm and dry... in the air, as long as the air is not plastic

22. Schools are closed so you need to home educate your children, unless you can send them to school because you’re not at home. If you are at home you can home educate your children using various portals and virtual class rooms, unless you have poor internet, or more than one child and only one computer, or you are working from home. Baking cakes can be considered maths, science or art. If you are home educating you can include household chores within their education. If you are home educating you can start drinking at 10am

23. If you are not home educating children you can also start drinking at 10am

24. The number of corona related deaths will be announced daily but we don't know how many people are infected as they are only testing those who are almost dead to find out if that's what they will die of… the people who die of corona who aren’t counted won’t or will be counted but maybe not

25. We should stay in locked down until the virus stops infecting people but it will only stop infecting people if we all get infected so it’s important we get infected and some don’t get infected

26. You can join your neighbours for a street party and turn your music up for an outside disco and your neighbours won’t call the police. People in another street are allowed to call the police about your music whilst also having a party which you are allowed to call the police about

27. No business will go down due to Coronavirus except those businesses that will go down due to Coronavirus

Wasn’t mine originally but don’t have a clue who the original author was, sorry.

IMO by not telling your neighbour in as non confrontational way as possible that what they are doing is very wrong then you are being complicit. It is people like your nice kind neighbour making up their own misguided version of the rules that is causing the spread of this virus. AND she works with vunerable old people!

Totally irresponsible especially being a care worker. Obviously no need for PPE in that care home as your neighbour and her family are totally immune to Covid19. Bad enough her going off to another household to look after GC but lugging the others with her, unbelievable! Some people certainly think they are above the law and don't give a toss for others.

Wrong.
Especially as someone works in a care home and could easily kill off the residents if she takes the virus in there.
At Tesco on Wednesday I waited behind a woman and her husband. She was still wearing her uniform and Im not sure why both of them had to go and shop together? Are care home workers not asked to remove inform before leaving and change once they arrive for work.? The virus can easily come into homes or from homes on clothing.
A very bad time to have relatives in Care Homes?

There are many wonderful people out there working, whether in their normal jobs or voluntarily, putting themselves at risk for others.
It depends how risk averse you are and, if you decide to do this to help others, then you must make sure to follow all the rules, not see your family for your own sake and for them and others.

Are there normally two people in one vehicle? That does not seem to be within the rules.

I wonder if anybody has an opinion on this little dilema?
I would like to do something out of the home on a voluntary basis and I have seen soem opportunities. One of the them is " drivers mate" helping out whilst the driver distributes food to those who need it.
My question is, is this safe? Why is this OK and I am not allowed to see my family for 1o minutes.

None of your business
Just do what you are doing and follow the rules
I’m so glad I have to go to work everyday otherwise my mental health would be shot to pieces
If they catch and spread the virus to each other they’ll only have themselves to blame

Wrong,wrong,wrong, my grandchildren live just up the road to me. Do I want to see them. Yes I certainly do. Am I going to see them NO. because we have been told not to, and I don't want to risk there health. I get a little irritated when people don't abide by these rules.

I am a carer for my 2 , adult, autistic children. Last night my 28 year old daughter had a meltdown, scary spider in her room, she is so desperate to see her dad. I let her phone him but he wanted to come around and turned up on doorstep at 9am. Now he is a key worker, funeral director in constant contact with CV through this, and has his own household, so i felt really cruel but turned him away. Daughter will have to facetime him, or wave from window.
there is no point us isolating then letting someone from outside the household in however hard it is.

Of course it’s wrong and you are right to be angry. My neighbour is a policeman lovely couple just moved in, but honestly, they do not social distance from us at all,they went sat in other neighbours garden on Easter Sunday. And have never clapped for NHS when we are all outside I live in cul- de-sac of 6 houses so they would have heard the noise. Another neighbour round the corner had visit from police last week as they’ve had 2 social gatherings over Easter 6 people at bbq they are in there 60’s someone reported them.Makes my blood boil. What is wrong with people.!!!

Wrong, and totally selfish. It’s people like these who are spreading the virus.

Once again, a few utterly thoughtless, selfish bastards are happy to put the lives of others at risk, while I and many like me are putting our lives on hold to protect the people we love. In my case, my 89 year old mother.