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MaryTheBookeeper Sun 23-Aug-20 09:39:38

I want to ask about something that happened to me 20yrs ago that was really creepy at the time. It's not very pleasant, hence the triggering warning.

We were having a lot of decorating work done on the house & the chap doing it was with us for months. He was highly recommeded & well known & had been friends with my neighbours for years. He was friendly & hard working. He wore shorts & a t-shirt much of the time with a painter's protective all-in-one garment over the top. This garment was made of that thin but toughened papery stuff with poppers down the front.

It was summer at the time & he called me to the upstairs landing to discuss some detail. He didn't bat an eyelid but I immediately noticed the lower poppers on his garment were undone & his penis was clearly visible as the fabric gaped open. I was shocked and very uncomfortable but I pretended I hadn't noticed & quickly left. What the f was going on? I've suddenly remembered this this morning. Even if he went to the loo & the popper didn't catch properly, where were his pants? Can it be normal to strip naked under a painting suit in hot weather?

I never told my dh because he'd have gone ballistic but I realise now I should've said something. Thankfully nothing else happened. But I did have to endure him in our house until the job was finished. So I'm asking, did he know full well or do you think it was totally innocent?

Callistemon Sun 23-Aug-20 21:25:04

It is exhibitionism.

MissAdventure Sun 23-Aug-20 21:22:35

I'm all for seeing a cock, when the owner of it has checked it's ok to show it to me.
I'm amazed that women can be so dismissive.

I expect it would be different if it happened to one of your darling family members. (Excuse the pun!)

lemongrove Sun 23-Aug-20 21:19:41

Yes trisher that gave me a laugh as well.?

Callistemon Sun 23-Aug-20 21:18:47

trisher

Isn't there an old music hall joke along these lines- old woman telling someone about being flashed at, person asks "Do you want to make a complaint?" and she answers "No I just like to talk about it."

???

Chewbacca Sun 23-Aug-20 21:13:38

Isn't it possible that he just didn't realise that he hadn't done the poppers up properly? From what the OP said, he was a local tradesman, of good repute, no previous reports of inappropriate behaviour and none heard of since. Could it just have been an unfortunate mistake on his part?

And as for He knew. He was vile. He used his power over to to get his kicks..... Well **Summerlove^ unless you were actually there, you don't know that any more than than anyone else, do you?

Galaxy Sun 23-Aug-20 21:09:18

The grown women I known wouldn't think that was ok and would understand that women would have different reactions to that.

lemongrove Sun 23-Aug-20 21:05:34

Yes Summerlove bully for me, because I’m a grown woman and wouldn’t have had a fit of the vapours if a workman had been showing a bit more than he should, either accidentally or on purpose.

Galaxy Sun 23-Aug-20 21:01:29

I havent led a sheltered life, but I have boundaries about what is acceptable. I want women to go through life without incidents like this.

BlueBelle Sun 23-Aug-20 20:59:50

By the way whatever you do never watch Naked Bodies you might see a willy

BlueBelle Sun 23-Aug-20 20:56:31

Oh espee a bit dramatic I very much doubt if Mary has been traumatised for the last 20 years
She just needs reassuring she did nothing wrong oh please she saw a willy 20 years ago either by mistake or on purpose who knows, it was 20 years ago
summerlove hung drawn and quartered you ve no idea if he knew or not anyway he’s probably dead by now
Oh my word Janeainesworth up the anti now this lady needs professional counselling
You must have all led sheltered lives
If he’d have done anything with it it would be very different
If he had done it on a number of occasions while working there, again a different story or if he had propositioned her in anyway but a peep at a sleepy willy, oh my word
Some of the stories I could tell when I worked as a chambermaid would send you for your smelling salts

Summerlove Sun 23-Aug-20 20:47:24

lemongrove

He wouldn’t have had any ‘power’ ( if that’s what it was) if the OP had said briskly ‘turn around please and do up your flies!’
Which is what I would have said.

Well, bully for you

lemongrove Sun 23-Aug-20 20:42:11

He wouldn’t have had any ‘power’ ( if that’s what it was) if the OP had said briskly ‘turn around please and do up your flies!’
Which is what I would have said.

Summerlove Sun 23-Aug-20 20:39:36

janeainsworth

Esspee I believe she was traumatised and the memory unfortunately surfaces from time to time. It is not the kind of thing you want to talk about in real life and fortunately she has this anonymous forum to vent on.
I can’t help feeling that she would get better help, strength and support from a professional counsellor.

I feel that way about a lot of posts here.

But there you go.

Summerlove Sun 23-Aug-20 20:34:37

Bellanonna

That was a long time ago, OP.

So?

He knew. He was vile.

He used his power over to to get his kicks.

This is never okay

Gingster Sun 23-Aug-20 20:27:42

I’m Astonished at how often this has happened to you all. I’ve never had anyone expose themselves to me.

Esspee Sun 23-Aug-20 20:21:57

The problem about talking to friends is embarrassment and that the story might be repeated. If the memory is causing real issues then a professional counsellor is a good idea but I didn’t get the feeling that Mary was not capable of handling it on her own.
She just needs reassurance that she did nothing wrong.

trisher Sun 23-Aug-20 20:06:57

Isn't it a pity that we are not prepared to talk about things like this in real life. Surely managing to do that would benefit everyone.

janeainsworth Sun 23-Aug-20 18:59:42

Esspee I believe she was traumatised and the memory unfortunately surfaces from time to time. It is not the kind of thing you want to talk about in real life and fortunately she has this anonymous forum to vent on.
I can’t help feeling that she would get better help, strength and support from a professional counsellor.

Namsnanny Sun 23-Aug-20 18:56:52

Good post Esspee smile

Esspee Sun 23-Aug-20 18:51:25

janeainsworth. You are wondering what Mary got out of posting about her experience.
I don’t for a moment think she has dredged this out of her memory to elicit a purient response. I believe she was traumatised and the memory unfortunately surfaces from time to time. It is not the kind of thing you want to talk about in real life and fortunately she has this anonymous forum to vent on.
I hope that she finds strength and support from her peers to help her deal with the incident.

Esspee Sun 23-Aug-20 18:39:53

Mary. I understand why you felt you couldn’t say anything at the time. It’s being unsure that it was deliberate, and paralysing embarrassment.

That is what people like that depend on.
If you had told your husband you would have put him in a terrible predicament. If it was clearly deliberate then confrontation would have been inevitable. If not deliberate then he would be accusing an innocent man.

I also understand the flashbacks that you get when you have suffered trauma, especially one which was unresolved as this was.

May I suggest that you will never know for sure. If he continued to work in your area with a good reputation then most likely it was an embarrassing accident. If he vanished then he likely was caught. You were right not to tell your husband as you were unsure.

I’m not going to say try to forget it. Just try to remind yourself it was not your fault. You had a terrible experience but you handled it well.

FarNorth Sun 23-Aug-20 18:33:53

We are old.
We've recently had to ditch most things that made our lives interesting.
Our minds ramble about through our memories.
Strange puzzling things from the past may come to the surface, and we wonder what others would think about them.

Of course, some of us seem not to do that and content ourselves with replying snappily to those who do.

Oh well.

janeainsworth Sun 23-Aug-20 18:26:33

Trisher grin
I do wonder what Mary has got out of posting about her experience.

trisher Sun 23-Aug-20 18:09:09

Isn't there an old music hall joke along these lines- old woman telling someone about being flashed at, person asks "Do you want to make a complaint?" and she answers "No I just like to talk about it."

PinkCakes Sun 23-Aug-20 18:00:57

MaryTheBookeeper He probably knew - but as he didn't get his penis out or touch you, and it was 20 years ago, why does it still bother you? Just wondered.

Things like that (and actual abuse) happened to me on a few occasions - I didn't do anything about it, and wouldn't now. It's been and gone.