Strange beliefs about the covid jab

Kate1949

My friend's daughter advised her not to have the vaccine as 'it changes your DNA' and that 'it had been tested on soldiers, ten of whom had died'. Rather worryingly, her daughter is a nurse. My friend ignored the advice.

It doesn't change your DNA, it changes your RNA I'm told.
Although there must be some bad experiences, I don't know anyone who has had a bad reaction and I know a lot of people.

We decided we would rather risk a bad reaction than covid

Kate1949
Your friends daughter sounds like an anti-vaxxer.
Laughable, but at least she didn't say we were going to turn into crocodiles and then be made into handbags!! ??

A lot of the bogus messages are coming from Telegram. I mean, these charlatans aren't even posting to FB or mainstream social media (except in secret groups) because FB remove their posts as false information.

@Mimicaro I'm sorry to hear about your daughter's food and other allergies, that must be a worry! I'm so glad for you that you got her to get the vaccine!

@Nightowl I see, thanks for the explanation. I really didn't intend for anyone to make fun of anyone but wanted to highlight just how bad the spread on the dark web, secret internet chatrooms and secret groups within Telegram, has got. Perhaps these people are infiltrating other groups, but targetting our young people.

We all need to be aware of the disturbing fact that people with no qualifications at all are posing as "experts" (some very convincing) with the aim of preventing people from getting their vaccine.

OnwardandUpward I expressed myself badly, I don’t believe you started the thread with the intention of making fun of people who don’t want the jab. I meant that some posts at the beginning seemed to be going that way.

I’m not in the UK and vaccination is going a little slower here but I’m happy to say that atm I don’t know anyone who doesn’t want the vaccine, any vaccine. My daughter lives in France , different story there but she just told me lots of people are now changing their minds. People should talk to qualified people instead of believing these idiotic fb ‘virologists’. My daughter has severe food and other allergies. She got the vaccine after we talked to seberal specialists about the risks. You don’t do this just for yourself but for the more vunerable and those who cannot be vaccinated because of medical issues.

@greenlady102 Im really sorry to hear that. Its the black mail I have a real problem with. I really feel for you and others I know who have been shunned by those who were meant to care.

I don't really care what people think or choose to do with their own bodies because that's their affair- I just really, really object to being threatened and held to ransom by a very controlling person in my life who was trying so hard to not let me get the vaccine.

If someone TRULY loves you they should not try to control your choices or coerce you into doing or not doing something you plan to do,

I haven't written the whole story, yet- and when I do it won't be on Gransnet. When I do there will be no misunderstandings because I won't be holding back anymore.

M0nica

OnwardandUpward You are wasting your time, lots of people have said what you have said and even though yours was the OP do not expect that to count for anything.

The impression those on this thread who who are sceptical about vaccination give is that they enjoy the comfy feeling that comes from feeling you are a martyr to your convictions and nobody understands you. And lets face it we all enjoy that feeling now and again. Let them enjoy it and let us not spoil their fun.

OnwardandUpward

I am sorry for your loss Greenlady102 and for mine. BUT it's still blackmail and that's wrong. I think it's coercive to try and make someone do something OR ELSE and it's probably criminal these days, too.

sorry, I wasn't clear..the "me too" was that I have a problem with being bullied/blackmailed and not that I have been vaccine blackmailed. I wouldn't want anyone on here to think I had told a lie.

OnwardandUpward You are wasting your time, lots of people have said what you have said and even though yours was the OP do not expect that to count for anything.

The impression those on this thread who who are sceptical about vaccination give is that they enjoy the comfy feeling that comes from feeling you are a martyr to your convictions and nobody understands you. And lets face it we all enjoy that feeling now and again. Let them enjoy it and let us not spoil their fun.

OnwardandUpward

A member of my family has developed strange beliefs about the covid jab. In particular they believe that anyone who has had it is a danger to them and have cut off any vaccinated family members.
Unfortunately I think there is a lot of fake information being circulated online. I would like to ask if anyone else has members of their family who avoid vaccinated people and if so how have they dealt with this?

Tell me, where in my original post do I poke fun? This is me asking for help and advice. I see no humour!

I cannot explain what the strange beliefs ARE without outing the persons and myself and I don't want to do that because I am planning to do something else with my information. All I can say is, they aren't mainstream or widely known about (yet)

@Nightowl No it really DIDNT start with trying to make fun of people who don't want the jab. I explained perfectly well what my point is and if you want to take it that way despite me explaining that I (and others) have been exiled by members of our family and friends who have judged and ostracised US for having the vaccine.

Please try to read what's actually written rather than read into it, otherwise you;ll be getting your knickers in a twist over nothing.

Well I suppose Monica it takes all sorts. But really I think the thread started by trying to make fun of people who don’t want the jab and it does generally feel as if those of us with doubts are often insulted (and I don’t particularly mean on here, but in the wider world) and it can become tiresome. People don’t have any need to justify having the jab, and I think most people simply don’t question it. So I suppose my frustration at this just rises to the fore sometimes.

nightowl we are in agreement people can make their own decisions and do not need to justify it, but in that case why come on a thread like this and start arguing the case with other people who think differently and are prepared to justify it and not contribute their own reasoning.

Talk about wanting their cake and eating it.

greenlady I think there's a lot of "lumping together" of people who don't want the vaccine.
And I'd already commented on the Bill Gates stuff.

You know what Greenlady102? We might have LOST "them", but we stayed true to ourselves and did what we felt was right to take care of our own bodies. For doing what FELT right in the face of threats, we should congratulate ourselves for not being bullied or giving into blackmail.

I am sorry for your loss Greenlady102 and for mine. BUT it's still blackmail and that's wrong. I think it's coercive to try and make someone do something OR ELSE and it's probably criminal these days, too.

OnwardandUpward

I was THREATENED to not have the vaccine. I have a huge problem with that.

oh me too! I am sorry for your loss but that's blackmail!

As in "if you have the vaccine you're dead to me"

At the time I thought it unreasonable and I'd already had the first one, but kept quiet. After I thought about it I felt annoyed about being threatened and really fearful of loss- but the date came up for the second one and I had it. I have now loss/ lost the family member who threatened me (and others too)

I was THREATENED to not have the vaccine. I have a huge problem with that.

OnwardandUpward

In my original post I ask " I would like to ask if anyone else has members of their family who avoid vaccinated people and if so how have they dealt with this" because it's how people treat other people that is the issue rather than whether or not they are vaccinated.

Surely if someone loves you, they will not take sides against you for being vaccinated (or for not being vaccinated?) It is making me question relationships and human nature!!

well yes and no.....fortunately the people i love have all been vaccinated.....but If I had to deal with someone I loved who was refusing to be vaccinated on the basis that it makes you magnetic....well I might still love them but from a distance!

NotSpaghetti

Well, for what it's worth, I'm with nightowl on this.
I have had the vaccine as it happens but I think it's a right to not have it - just as I think we shouldn't be forced to drink fluoridated water. We have a right to refuse or accept medical care.

If there is a law (driving on the left for example) and we choose to ignore it, we know there are consequences. Other people may think us stupid or selfish but we also have the right not to explain.

I find all the stuff about Bill Gates frankly ridiculous but there may be some counter-vaccine info out there that isn't so absurd. I'm open to looking at it, though as I said, I've already had two doses.

If people feel uncomfortable accepting the vaccine but don't really know why, then it's fair to offer them the best research we can to allay their fears, but, if having thought about it they still don't want it, that's their choice. Their right to refuse.

Let's not lump everyone together please. Let's try to respect those who have given some thought to this but just aren't reconciled to having it. And don't forget, sometimes as we do something we know isn't good for us, sometimes we may want to reject something that actually may be.

I haven't seen anybody on here "lump everyone together". I had my first AZ before the sinus thrombosis risk was identified and I had to do some hard thinking and research about whether to have the second so I do understand in some part, people's legitimate concerns.
Again as I have said before, throughout my career, now retired I have fought again and again against decisions being made "in people's best interests" without respecting the agency of the person. I have stood out against forcible diets for fat people with strokes "to make them easier to manage", I have reported a nurse for trying to make home carers refuse to buy chocolate for a diebetic, similarly I have defended people's rights to have wildly alternative homes including the bird loving couple who lived in the middle of a wood and kept their windows open winter and summer so the birds could nest in the house....it was a magical, if chilly place to visit.

BUT I can't respect people who base their decisions on stuff like "Bill Gates is microchipping us"
I will respect their choice, as they must respect the consequences of that choice. Even idiots should have agency over their own bodies.

In my original post I ask " I would like to ask if anyone else has members of their family who avoid vaccinated people and if so how have they dealt with this" because it's how people treat other people that is the issue rather than whether or not they are vaccinated.

Surely if someone loves you, they will not take sides against you for being vaccinated (or for not being vaccinated?) It is making me question relationships and human nature!!

Stormystar

Luca if I am vaccinated or not is not the issue, I’m affirming the right of the individual to have autonomy over their own body. If it means not being able to work in particular professions if it means not being able to travel or socialise, so be it. But their human rights to have control over their body I consider to be sacrosanct.

YES!

Well, for what it's worth, I'm with nightowl on this.
I have had the vaccine as it happens but I think it's a right to not have it - just as I think we shouldn't be forced to drink fluoridated water. We have a right to refuse or accept medical care.

If there is a law (driving on the left for example) and we choose to ignore it, we know there are consequences. Other people may think us stupid or selfish but we also have the right not to explain.

I find all the stuff about Bill Gates frankly ridiculous but there may be some counter-vaccine info out there that isn't so absurd. I'm open to looking at it, though as I said, I've already had two doses.

If people feel uncomfortable accepting the vaccine but don't really know why, then it's fair to offer them the best research we can to allay their fears, but, if having thought about it they still don't want it, that's their choice. Their right to refuse.

Let's not lump everyone together please. Let's try to respect those who have given some thought to this but just aren't reconciled to having it. And don't forget, sometimes as we do something we know isn't good for us, sometimes we may want to reject something that actually may be.

nightowl

No Monica, with respect I think you are missing my point. I don’t think it matters two hoots whether people have any evidence for their decision not to have a vaccine. They have the right to make that decision. They also have the right to not have to justify it to anyone else, just the same as those who decide to have the vaccine don’t have to justify that decision. I’m not naive enough to think that the drug companies don’t have huge vested interests here, or that anyone will ever be funded to do truly impartial research.

i think it does matter if they are engaging in debate about it. As I said, I absolutely agree about personal agency...absolutely agree about not having to justify one's choice....but that is a general principle and on this thread at least, I haven't seen anybody denying that principle.
Can i ask what you mean by "impartial research"? its rare for flawed partial research to be published, the last one was the "MMR linked to autism" foul up and that was not funded and supported by big pharma, on the contrary in fact.