Different family opinions

Kartush

Many posters think that my concern about the non vaccinations are because I am worried about myself, its not that. I am worried about the little boy, his life is already being impacted by his mothers choice, he cant go to regular day care because he is not vaccinated, she is talking about home schooling him because there is a chance he wont be allowed to attend school because he is not vaccinated and with the others i am worried about them catching covid not me, i know it is none of my business but i am their mother/grandmother and I worry. As for the vegan issue, it is problematic for a non vegan household to cater to a vegan, very little in my house is suitable apart from vegetables, I know this, I have taken to reading all the labels and spending ages in the supermarket looking for suitable items. I spent a week scouring shops at ester looking for vegan easter eggs. I do understand my husbands feelings to a certain extent, he is 71 years old and a cooker of meat…roasts, pastas, bbqs, it is what he knows.

It really isn’t that difficult to feed a vegan. As someone else suggested, you can easily pick-up a ready made vegan meal from any supermarket, including Aldi. As for your husband being 71 and a cooker of traditional meals, that doesn’t justify anything. He is being intolerant and disrespectful.

@Madgran77 most Pasta contains egg, which vegans don’t eat (though vegetarians often do).

albertina

You have my sympathy with this. My family is now completely split and my younger daughter's vegan diet is partly responsible for it. It was the straw that broke the camel's back.
When she went vegan she was unable to sit down for a meal with us without lecturing and even tried to convert her then 7 year old niece.
I'd be inclined to keep vegan ready meals in your freezer so feeding her is simpler.

Wow! Until I read this thread, I had no idea that there was so much intolerance on this issue. Would you treat a diabetic friend with the same level of disrespect Albertina?

And no, I am not vegan myself.

In this day and age it is relatively easy to cook for a vegan. There are plenty or recipes online. My niece is one and the last time she came to stay I bought some of that soya mince, thinking it would be palatable for me and my OH to eat. Didn't like it at all. However, there are masses of things that can be made with vegetables and rice, pasta, pulses etc.

If we have vegetarians staying I cook veggie food for everybody. I really don't like the idea of doing a meat based meal for the majority and just giving the veggies some veg.

Apologies to Albertina and to everyone for the confusion. My last post was in response to NoddingGanGan’s post ?

If she eats fresh fish you could put some in some tinfoil with a few herbs slice of lemon and cook in oven for 15mins also adding more vegetables along side it. I do agree with you on the jabs my sons and daughter inlaws both had them but not for themselves but for my protection. But unfortunately we can’t tell others what they should do. Put yourself in her position how would you feel if someone told you what to do. As for vegetarian meals they not as difficult has you might think. The one I give you at work I’ve had loads who enjoy it and have even gone on to make it themselves at home.

Kartush If you continue to make your feelings known about the vaccination of your GS' child you run the risk of losing all contact with them. Your GS and his partner are young and have other stuff going n in their lives. I suspect that grandparents come a little way down the list, especially if they are critical.

Nannashirlz

If she eats fresh fish you could put some in some tinfoil with a few herbs slice of lemon and cook in oven for 15mins also adding more vegetables along side it. I do agree with you on the jabs my sons and daughter inlaws both had them but not for themselves but for my protection. But unfortunately we can’t tell others what they should do. Put yourself in her position how would you feel if someone told you what to do. As for vegetarian meals they not as difficult has you might think. The one I give you at work I’ve had loads who enjoy it and have even gone on to make it themselves at home.

Vegans don’t eat anything from a living creature.

Stella14

@Madgran77 most Pasta contains egg, which vegans don’t eat (though vegetarians often do).

Most dry pasta is made of semolina flour and water. Few makes have eggs in. There is however, egg in fresh pasta.

Stella14

albertina

You have my sympathy with this. My family is now completely split and my younger daughter's vegan diet is partly responsible for it. It was the straw that broke the camel's back.
When she went vegan she was unable to sit down for a meal with us without lecturing and even tried to convert her then 7 year old niece.
I'd be inclined to keep vegan ready meals in your freezer so feeding her is simpler.

Wow! Until I read this thread, I had no idea that there was so much intolerance on this issue. Would you treat a diabetic friend with the same level of disrespect Albertina?

And no, I am not vegan myself.

People don’t choose to be diabetic!

Every Christmas we have a family meal. There are three vegetarians and 4 meat eaters. It has been a pleasure to find a new vegetarian main course every year that all the meat eaters can try as well. If this is too fussy for you, buy a vegetarian ready meal. Your DL s a guest in your home. You should treat her with respect.

I have no patience with anti vaxxers but what I will not do is install the NHS app on my phone nor will I go for weekly covid tests. I want my freedom.

"I do understand my husbands feelings to a certain extent, he is 71 years old and a cooker of meat…roasts, pastas, bbqs, it is what he knows." Pastas can easily be made vegetarian and then sprinkle over grated cheese for those who eat it, and non-dairy "cheese" for those who don't (look out for makes like Violife). Mixed roast veggies are good, with non-dairy "cheese" sprinkled over them. BBQs - there are soya sausages and burgers for her. But it sounds as though he is resentful because he cooks things he's comfortable cooking and possibly feels "deskilled" at now having pressure to cook other things? In which case, vegan ready meals would be the ideal solution - maybe you could take charge of that and leave him to his meat cooking? As for the vaccinations - that's a minefield I don't envy you (sorry, nothing to add to what's already been said).

discodancer Yes being vegan is a choice, but you could say the same thing about a Muslim who didn't eat bacon or drink alcohol. Would you expect them to eat a pork product or something with alcohol in?

My daughter is vegan, we are not. I solve the problem of her food by buying a vegan ready meal for her, and cook for the rest of us. There are some very good vegan meals available these days, and my daughter is more than happy with this arrangement. Seeing the family is more important than the food

CoolCoco

discodancer Yes being vegan is a choice, but you could say the same thing about a Muslim who didn't eat bacon or drink alcohol. Would you expect them to eat a pork product or something with alcohol in?

No I wouldn’t....I would respect their choice. Stella was talking about diabetics...who have no choice.

They may find in the future that their child will not be accepted at nursery or school without having had his jabs

Your husband being 71 is absolutely no excuse I am olde4 than him and perfect.y capable of cooking for other people s tastes even though I m not a great kitchen person
Are you in U.K. I must be out of date I didn’t know we had rulings about nursery attendance and vaccinations I know they do in some parts of Europe but didn’t realise we did as well

Not sure what is meant about not offering Muslims pork. When I married an Arab, my sister made roast pork for our first visit. He had never tasted it but thought it was rather nice. She was most upset. We’ve been married 40 years and rarely eat pork as we prefer lamb.

What I am saying is, have the last laugh.

My SP's almost completely vegan which I find difficult. However, because we have an otherwise excellent relationship, she tolerates my shortcoming and pretty much caters for herself. Good lass!

at the risk on inciting an avalanche of negative comments, I think there are two issues here. Being vegan is a personal choice, which affects nobody but the person involved, and her decision should be respected. Not being vaccinated puts others at risk, and is not a question of personal choice. This confusion is quite extraordinary to me. I have the right to be vegan/eat my own weight in black pudding. I do not have the right to put complete strangers, whose health conditions I do not know, at risk of serious, possibly fatal illness. End of.

there used to be a frozen vegan shepherd's pie, called shepherdess pie, where the meat part was replaced by lentils.
mrs mccartney brand. very tasty. probably lots more now.

Kartush - there are probably many more issues upon which you will have divided opinions, after all you are two generations apart from your grandchildren - who's right, and who's wrong, or is this not even a question - we can all have our own opinions - Veganism and anti-vaxism (if there's such a word) are ethical stances taken by some against rampant capitalism that seeks to destroy the world - you can't knock those positions and my suggestion is that you keep your opinions to yourself.

pinkhousegirl Well said